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Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

scotty79 wrote: post #146
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #132

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Considering that, the only other thing I could think Apple sees is that the tip partially goes to the developer, making (b) false. But then: https://twitter.com/damusapp/status/1673347949718548487 Seems like the developer has a strong case, assuming these statements are truthful.

> developer has a strong case Strong case? Apple can change the rules tomorrow to whatever they want.

True. Apple can also choose to stand their ground, which would likely work if the developer doesn’t have the resources to fight a court battle. There may be other viable strategies for them to remove this application in whatever legally valid way.

Still, a plaintext interpretation (as far as I can tell) of Apple’s current rules seems to favor the developer, given the circumstances.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by yieldcrv »

siwatanejo wrote: post #149
yieldcrv wrote: post #53

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Insurance coverage are NFTs, and liquidity pool records are NFTs there are other financials using that technology

I didn’t say there aren’t? What I said is that the domains are the only ones that are not scams.

okay. I don't consider the financials to be scams and I thought you were talking about things distinct from visual collectibles.

I find high utility in the financials.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by user6723 »

max_ wrote: post #123
threeseed wrote: post #95

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Which will unravel the App Store. Because the benefits of side loading on iOS are so massive that everyone will use it i.e. you can use private APIs, bypass Apple's privacy controls, implement device tracking, harvest data e.g. contacts. It's going to be a huge transfer of power and wealth back to the likes of Meta, Epic etc

Why can't people just build an OS that can't be abused then. Just make sure people ask for permission. Before giving them access to something?

We did, it's called GrapheneOS https://GrapheneOS.org

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by user6723 »

colesantiago wrote: post #16
siwatanejo wrote: post #8

https://twitter.com/siwatanejo/status/1668585129374289925

The only issue with this is: > I like crypto but think 99.999% of NFTs are scams It is more like 100% are scams, there is no NFT use case, it's all just jpgs.

Property titles for real estate and cars on the Blockchain is a legit use, but in 2016 when I worked on that we didn't call them NFT.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by theshrike79 »

newaccount74 wrote: post #145
error503 wrote: post #103

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Good, I don't know why I should have a problem with that? Though I disagree that a phone is not a 'general computing device' moreso than a gaming console is, it is hard to come up with a legally-clear definition of one.

Yeah, a phone is definitely a "general computing device", while a video console arguably is not. But considering that you can watch Youtube on a Nintendo Switch, I think they should maybe be considered "general computing devices" as well.

How so, the last two generations of Xbox and PS consoles have been pretty much off-the-shelf hardware.

The Xbox and PS5 are literally using an AMD Zen2 CPU and an AMD GPU, nothing weirdly custom like the PS3's "emotion engine".

There's no reason they couldn't run a standard Linux or even Windows. They have HDMI ports, USB and everything just like a normal PC. Even the PS3 with it's super weird processing system had a _native_ Linux version provided by Sony[0].

Why aren't people up in arms insisting that Microsoft and Sony allow us to install Linux on "our hardware", but are so very pressed when they can't do that with a phone? Why is a console walled garden perfectly fine, but on a phone it's anathema? Are people still thinking of the NES when they hear "console"?

[0] Yes, it was there to dodge import taxes, but still =)

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by mikhael28 »

tossl568 wrote: post #138
colesantiago wrote: post #12

Can't they just remove or ban anything cryptocurrency and Bitcoin? That would be fantastic as it has no place on the App Store.

Anything else you want banned just because you don't like it authoritarian? If you don't like it just don't use it. You're financially privileged, just stick to your transactions your bank let you do and let other people do what they want.

The problem with letting people do what they want, is that you will inevitably have bad actors ruining things for the rest of us.

That's where regulation comes in, where government comes in, where centralization comes in.

Do you seriously believe, that if Bitcoin becomes the global currency, that crime won't skyrocket due to people getting robbed relentlessly? You just need the PK dawg, and it's very easy to tell if you were told the truth - access to the wallet opens up.

I think you are just naive about the nature of mankind. We need rules, structure and order - the key question, is how do we create the environment that allows enough structure to not interfere with the creative process to allow us to continue growing and developing new technology?

Bitcoiners have a sad, yet fascinating trend to talk about nothing but Bitcoin. Take a look at your comment history.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by scotty79 »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #151
scotty79 wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> developer has a strong case Strong case? Apple can change the rules tomorrow to whatever they want.

True. Apple can also choose to stand their ground, which would likely work if the developer doesn’t have the resources to fight a court battle. There may be other viable strategies for them to remove this application in whatever legally valid way. Still, a plaintext interpretation (as far as I can tell) of Apple’s current rules seems to favor the developer, given the circumstances.

Why go to court instead of changing the rules the next day so that the app more obviously violates them and remove it anyways?

What developer are gonna to go to court for the few weeks or months when his app was removed for ambiguous reasons?

Terms and conditions mean nothing for Apple. They are solely to restrict developers how Apple wants. They give developers no rights in practice. Only the illusion.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by tossl568 »

mikhael28 wrote: post #157
tossl568 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anything else you want banned just because you don't like it authoritarian? If you don't like it just don't use it. You're financially privileged, just stick to your transactions your bank let you do and let other people do what they want.

The problem with letting people do what they want, is that you will inevitably have bad actors ruining things for the rest of us. That's where regulation comes in, where government comes in, where centralization comes in. Do you seriously believe, that if Bitcoin becomes the global currency, that crime won't skyrocket due to people getting robbed relentlessly? You just need the PK dawg, and it's very easy to tell if…

You've said a lot without making any real points there.

How does allowing people to send small tipping amounts of Bitcoin for fun from their hot wallet mean "bad actors ruining things for the rest of us"?

>Do you seriously believe, that if Bitcoin becomes the global currency, that crime won't skyrocket due to people getting robbed relentlessly? You just need the PK dawg, and it's very easy to tell if you were told the truth - access to the wallet opens up.

And if people have geographically distributed multi-sig cold storage for the bulk of their wealth? Will they be getting "robbed relentlessly"? If you follow best practice and take self custody seriously you'll be fine so no I don't seriously believe people would be robbed relentlessly.

So I'll ask you too, what's your problem with other people sending small amounts of money P2P in a fun way to each other in a currency they prefer? Just don't use it if you don't like it.

>Bitcoiners have a sad, yet fascinating trend to talk about nothing but Bitcoin. Take a look at your comment history.

Again, what's your point? I'm stirred to reply to fiat brained financial authoritarianism, that's what I find weird and sad.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by kiwiidb »

enragedcacti wrote: post #139
cjpearson wrote: post #135

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Oh, that could change things. Although I think it still depends on what Apple means by "associated at any point in time with receiving digital content or services". I think they may be intending to allow something like GoFundMe or Venmo, while disallowing something like Reddit gold where users give gifts based on the digital content created even though that content isn't gated by payment. Perhaps the developer's use…

> Perhaps the developer's use of Bitcoin complicates things as well. I was thinking about that, the transaction fees alone would mean that less than 100% is going to the recipient. Even more confusing, Patreon's entire business model is taking a cut of donations associated with access to content and they seem to still be exempt: https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/22/patreon-doesnt-pa...

Zaps on nostr always use the Lightning Network to send bitcoin so transaction fees are negligible.
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