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Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure

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Post by noisy_boy »

kelnos wrote: post #97
mouse_ wrote: post #92

Given the whole idea here is total user freedom for ports and I/O expandability, it bothers me that I cannot get this with an SD card slot, a feature that comes standard on newer macbook pros.

They do have microSD, at least[0]. I feel like full-size SD cards are a bit more niche than they used to be (mostly DSLRs?). But there's no stopping someone designing and manufacturing a full-size SD card reader if there's enough demand to warrant it. [0] https://frame.work/products/microsd-expansion-card

They should have designed that module to be full size sdcard because the microsd to sdcard adapters are easily available everywhere (a lot of microsd cards actually have the adaptor included in the packaging).

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Post by Dylan16807 »

smoldesu wrote: post #100
908B64B197 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I believe Foxconn, the main assembler for Apple, still sleeps 6 workers to an apartment. The thing is, if Chinese labor becomes more expensive, these workers will get replaced either by an automated factory elsewhere (maybe in America!) and unemployment.

Considering how we're talking about a manufacturer that famously installed anti-suicide nets for it's worker, maybe some time away from the factory would be a good thing?

They never had high suicide rates so no.

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Post by seanhunter »

hellcow wrote: post #5

This case looks great. Love that we have replaceable graphics on this one. I’m most excited for the ortholinear keyboard attachment. That makes it a must-buy for me, since after switching to a Kinesis Advantage I just can’t type on a staggered layout anymore.

Oh my word. I really really wanted to get one to support the project but now I know I can have an ortholinear keyboard it’s a must buy.

Really looking forward to using linux as my main laptop os again.

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Post by seanhunter »

yepguy wrote: post #142
hellcow wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup! Here's an image of it: https://twitter.com/FrameworkPuter/status/164837189206213017... A split and thumb clusters would make it perfect, but I'll take what I can get.

A split and/or tilt is mandatory IMO. Without it, ortholinear keyboards are even less ergonomic than a regular staggered keyboard.

They’re just keys - you can remap the middle ones to be your enter, tab, backspace and escape. That’s basically what I do with my Planck layout. https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/tree/master/keyboards/pl...

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Post by mlyle »

nomel wrote: post #144
Solvency wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Styrofoam. This is what auto body designers use to shape while designing forms.

Not sure why this is downvoted. Carving away styrofoam is a great way to see what the real world form of something will be, especially considering there's a good chance you can fish it out of your trash. And, a hot glue gun mean you can put pieces back! For getting an idea, I like to play with clay, then move to CAD once something is fairly decided, with foam/cardboard mockups to get "real world" size feel. Then, a d…

You can lay up composites (e.g. carbon fiber + epoxy resin) over a styrofoam mold and get nice results, too. (Just leave the styrofoam in).

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Post by bane »

acyou wrote: post #147

Me and many of my friends all have zombie Frankenstein desktops that perfectly illustrate why the Framework laptop both does and doesn't make sense. I can understand why people with money to burn might not understand the limitations of trying to make a modular architecture work over the long term. Back in the day, dropping in an SSD represented a massive, relatively inexpensive upgrade. But, a desktop has cross-compa…

I remember the days of incremental PC upgrades being quite commonplace (the 286/386/486/Pentium era). It was sort of a golden time where a relatively poor kid (me) could save his pennies up to buy a small upgrade and keep a system going through various "Ship of Theseus" efforts. I think I managed such an upgrade cycle through 4 generations of CPU while keeping various peripherals in various states staggered across all of that. It also meant that if you had the right supplier you could cobble together barely working computers just able to boot the latest all floppy release of SUSE or something.

Today it seems that a decent computer (~$1000k) will simply just run most things perfectly fine for around 5-7 years, after which all the main bus and peripheral tech will have moved on. It's easier to junk that system and buy another one almost from scratch. The main benefit I can think of for still buying your own parts and putting it together (or having somebody put it together) is price/performance /customizability still leads. I was able to retire (give to my wife) an 8 year old desktop which is still perfectly fine for her needs, and buy an all new system, but thread what I wanted through a budget by ultra-specifying specific parts. I couldn't find a pre-built that was close, even after I just paid Microcenter to put it all together for me. This also turned out to be a good idea as they were able to on-the-spot substitute a few pieces based on compatibility and inventory.

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Post by eightysixfour »

acyou wrote: post #147

Me and many of my friends all have zombie Frankenstein desktops that perfectly illustrate why the Framework laptop both does and doesn't make sense. I can understand why people with money to burn might not understand the limitations of trying to make a modular architecture work over the long term. Back in the day, dropping in an SSD represented a massive, relatively inexpensive upgrade. But, a desktop has cross-compa…

Counterpoint - socket AM4 motherboards had an extremely long, upgradable life. Mine has 5 years on it and the 5800x3d I recently swapped in is still one of the fastest gaming CPUs there is. From a gaming standpoint it can handle any top of the line GPU.

And it is in a 7.5l SFF case.

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Post by elxr »

rfwhyte wrote: post #13

Still waiting for the other shoe to drop with a pricing announcement. I keep getting almost excited about the Framework 16", but then I'm remember it's probably going to be well over $2500USD for a decently specced model (without a GPU even) and my excitement quickly dissipates.

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Post by fragmede »

mistyhands wrote: post #110
fragmede wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, sorry, no. Thunderbolt does have overhead and limitations, but imo those limitations don't justify making a new standard, even if it's more open than the others. Maybe you could say more about those limitations and convince me?

What obligation do they have to convince you?

None. Just like my obligation to buy one.

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Post by silon42 »

rcoveson wrote: post #82
PDTao5Q2TMaTp7U wrote: post #73

I like the self repair options, but the attachments are just dongles in another form factor

Notable, a form factor that does not dangle. Are PCIe cards just dongles in another form factor? Is it a question of how much of the peripheral's surface area is visible from the outside? Or is it the difficulty of insertion/removal that separates expansion cards from dongles? For me it's the dangling that makes the dongle a dongle.

IMO it's a big mistake that the RJ45 adapter sticks out, because the laptop is not thick enough... There is no good reason for that.. also, I'd like batteries with cylindrical cells.
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