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Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by orangepurple »

jeffbee wrote: post #86
kneebonian wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The statistics are the result of the DAs refusing to prosecute crime. At the beginning of the BLM era everyone said that what is going to happen is police officers are no longer going to do arrests because they fear becoming the next major incident, at the same time the DAs started refusing to prosecute people, so they'd end up back on the street. The result was no one was investigating or prosecuting crimes anymore.…

Having your own little private universe of beliefs that can't be falsified is pretty dumb. There is a city dashboard that shows the disposition of cases presented to the SF DA and the rates of various outcomes have been basically flat for decades. The thing that has changed is the cops have figured out they will still get paid even if they do nothing, or don't even show up. In the decade from 2012 to 2022 the number…

Why would you show up to or do a job where one small mistake under stress could have you convicted of murder of a special protected class which virtually guarantees you will be thrown under the bus by the politicians and harassed endlessly by the angry mob? You have to be insane to take the job in that kind of work environment.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by orangepurple »

celdon25 wrote: post #63
kneebonian wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The statistics are the result of the DAs refusing to prosecute crime. At the beginning of the BLM era everyone said that what is going to happen is police officers are no longer going to do arrests because they fear becoming the next major incident, at the same time the DAs started refusing to prosecute people, so they'd end up back on the street. The result was no one was investigating or prosecuting crimes anymore.…

The people downvoting you are the ones also likely voting for these politicians. There’s a real problem in this country and the trend needs to be reversed or our problems will grow exponentially.

There is no meaningful political opposition. The republicans party is a joke and the democrat party is a massive operation which touches nearly all civil servants and owners of major businesses. You stand no chance of being elected unless you are affiliated with realistically the bigger one of the two mobs. And as a prospective political candidate, if you don't pledge allegiance to Israel in writing you will be privately blacklisted by political campaign donors, nobody will invite you to social events anymore, and any support you had will dry up. We are subjects of a one party totalitarian government where we get to pick among puppets which all pledge to execute the will of the broader party. If you research any of your candidates in your local elections you will see that the only people that win are those affiliated with the broader party and their agenda. The broader party has a basket of initiatives that each lemming chooses to identify with to create the illusion of choice. Over time the broader agenda is always fulfilled. This is the way that the powers that be have managed to solidify their rule despite giving the people the right to vote.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by orangepurple »

whimsicalism wrote: post #39
nemothekid wrote: post #24

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The pocket which OP lives in is pretty much an encampment. I don't particularly understand OP's attachment to that area; I've also lived in SF for 10 years, and downtown SF is easily the most uninteresting part of SF to me; but I can understand feeling unsafe in that area even if it is statistically safe.

Seriously. his aversion to moving to other neighborhoods is ridiculous, he is practically living in the tenderloin

I agree; He needs to just accept that he will be assaulted in some neighborhoods and avoid those. /s

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by orangepurple »

whiddershins wrote: post #6
orangepurple wrote: post #5

The local crime statistics are saying that San Francisco is a safe city with crime trending downwards.

“ Each time I reported these incidents to the police, they never responded. I got the sense that as long as no one was physically harmed, they didn’t really care. “

You can also expect this treatment in Washington D.C. and Houston. I speculate it is true of most cities in America these days.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by somethoughts »

subsubzero wrote: post #110
whimsicalism wrote: post #57

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Yeah he picked probably among the worst neighborhoods to live in. I have noticed this is a recurring pattern among single male tech friends I have to move to Soma due to office proximity and then end up hating the city.

Alot of this is due to the policy decisions of Ed Lee(ex SF mayor). He authorized tax breaks for a bevy of tech companies to operate in the tenderloin tax free(for a few years). The reason for this was to revitalize a blighted neighborhood with an infusion of highly paid tech workers. This is turn lead to a huge amount of tech employees moving to one of the worst areas in SF. Sf for sure is falling apart but I did sp…

Two other related points:

- And the flagship company to take Ed Lee up on the offer was Twitter - a social media company

- Additionally adding to things is that Union Square butts up against the Tenderloin - making the misery very visible for tourists.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by nradov »

sebmellen wrote: post #114
chubot wrote: post #100

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Yeah it's way nicer to live up the hill a little, basically anywhere up a hill. The low-lying areas have "gravity" that attract bad things. I made the same mistake moving to SF in 2002, until 2004. It was bad then -- and surprise, surprise, the places with the most availability are the least desirable. The meme is that tech people are taking over SF. But it's also true that the city is crowded with old money, and new…

The only city where I haven’t found the “hill effect” to be true is Pittsburgh. It seems every hilltop area there is quite bad.

In many US cities, low lying areas near water (rivers, large lakes, oceans) were often used as cargo ports. Factories and other industrial facilities were then built nearby which made it easier to obtain raw materials and ship out finished products. And naturally low wage, blue collar workers tended to live near those jobs. Such areas were also at greater risk of flooding, and suffered more from air, water, and noise pollution. So, affluent people tended to build homes on higher ground away from the dirty waterfronts.

Now that trend has somewhat flipped. The US has deindustrialized and offshored most heavy industries. Stricter environmental laws have reduced pollution. And civil engineering measures have somewhat reduced flood risk. So, now waterfront residential areas have become expensive and fashionable.

This is just a general trend. We will still see exceptions in SF and other cities.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by davidivadavid »

SavageBeast wrote: post #127
whimsicalism wrote: post #12

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Lower haight is dense and fewer than 2 miles from downtown. I dont perceive the area OP is describing as one I would expect to be free from drug crime even four years ago, whereas I do have that expectation for this region of SF.

TL;DR - SF proper was a dumpster fire 10 years ago - I have no idea why its taken people so long to catch on to the fact. OP's story tracks 100%. My experience is now 10 years old so factor that in. Even then the Lower Haight was still very bad, its just that it wasn't quite as bad as so many other areas. I lived there, trust me. If automatic gunfire, seeing women beaten on the sidewalk by guys jumping out of cars to…

I have to say the experience of reading the comments here (and all similar stories) gives a lot of Stockholm syndrome vibes.

"The city's actually really safe if you completely ignore this whole area that sits in the middle of it otherwise all bets are off" isn't exactly an endorsement.

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by nradov »

orangecat wrote: post #109
thebooktocome wrote: post #82

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Imprisonment is far more expensive than housing. SLC ran a pilot program years ago proving the concept. Of course, if one is the retributive sort, nothing grinds one’s spleen more than someone worse off getting something “they don’t deserve”. I personally don’t understand why the some exceptionally wealthy billionaire in California doesn’t solve the homelessness problem themselves, expending some mere fraction of the…

I personally don’t understand why the some exceptionally wealthy billionaire in California doesn’t solve the homelessness problem themselves If you were an exceptionally wealthy billionaire, how would you solve it? Especially considering that the obvious approach of "build housing" is largely illegal.

Due to the SB-8 Housing Crisis Act of 2019, it is now largely legal to build housing. Sometimes property developers have had to sue local governments in order to enforce their rights but now most cities are complying. Obtaining the necessary land and building permits is still extremely expensive. A billion dollars worth of new housing would be great, but it would barely begin to address the shortage.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...

Re: Goodbye, San Francisco

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Post by codemonkeysh »

casion wrote: post #20
codemonkeysh wrote: post #16

I lived in San Fran back in 2012 for 6 months. I personally didn't feel unsafe; I'm a big guy and have a physical presence so I understand why others may feel unsafe. So why did I leave? There were a few events that really upset me. 1) I almost stepped on a shit snake some human left outside my building. 2) A homeless person stopped in front of a mother and child to urinate. 3) The weather sucked; cold and hot. I wen…

No matter your size, all of those things violate safety. It's not always about being attacked, but general welfare being violated.

The only welfare being violated was the bottom of my shoes.
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