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Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by HWR_14 »

zoky wrote: post #85
circlefavshape wrote: post #57

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Oh for goodness sake. He felt safer than when he was walking. Renting a car to drive a block and a half is just ridiculous - unless maybe he's displaying obvious signs of wealth? I stayed in the hilton union square in Feb and yes there are a lot of homeless people and addicts around but none of them even looked at me crossways

I don't know SF all that well personally, so I really can't say. I do know that where the person I know stayed was in the Mission District, which was (and still is) widely known to be among the more dangerous parts of San Francisco. I also know he was routinely coming and going at odd hours, 23:00 or later. I also know that he had a permit to carry a gun, which (at the time) was near impossible to get in California,…

People who go out of their way to carry guns in cities usually strike me as "more paranoid" and not "more cautious". I am far less likely to trust their assessment of danger.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

HWR_14 wrote: post #151
zoky wrote: post #85

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I don't know SF all that well personally, so I really can't say. I do know that where the person I know stayed was in the Mission District, which was (and still is) widely known to be among the more dangerous parts of San Francisco. I also know he was routinely coming and going at odd hours, 23:00 or later. I also know that he had a permit to carry a gun, which (at the time) was near impossible to get in California,…

People who go out of their way to carry guns in cities usually strike me as "more paranoid" and not "more cautious". I am far less likely to trust their assessment of danger.

So because someone values their life and belongings, and has the proper training to wield a firearm, you are less likely to trust their assessment of danger? So then who do you trust?

And for the record, Mission has almost 4x the crime rate as California, which is already above the national average.[1] So it seems as though their “paranoia” was paying dividends.

[1] - https://www.areavibes.com/san+francisco-ca/mission/crime/

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by courseofaction »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #144
courseofaction wrote: post #23

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A cruel experiment that will neither relieve suffering nor address its cause. America is insane.

How is outlawing camping during the day in the city "cruel and insane"?

They're not outlawing camping in a vacuum, they are outlawing an act of desperation which their own policies are driving people to. America is insane.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

courseofaction wrote: post #153
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #144

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How is outlawing camping during the day in the city "cruel and insane"?

They're not outlawing camping in a vacuum, they are outlawing an act of desperation which their own policies are driving people to. America is insane.

> they are outlawing an act of desperation which their own policies are driving people to. America is insane.

So you mean, they should be allowed to keep their stuff (e.g. lots of stolen bikes) strung out in the middle of a park during a day, and they shouldn't have to move into shelters because they can't deal with their drug habits?

If this were Switzerland (or specifically, Lausanne where I used to live), the Swiss police would really not take any of that crud. They would apply lots of tough love, swiss style, before it got to that point.

Portland is literally filled with bleeding heart liberals in comparison (and actually is, people are just losing patience).

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by gigatexal »

CalRobert wrote: post #129
gigatexal wrote: post #127

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A 150k EUR salary can be had easily in Europe but that’s true you’ll not find 500k to 1M salaries here like you will stateside.

To be fair a 150k EUR salary (about where I am as it turns out) can be had in Europe but I don't think it's done "easily" for most people, at least compared to major US cities. But I literally don't care. I already have a paid off house, and I just don't need anything. My big goal in life is to have a 3 bed flat or townhouse where my kids can run out the door and ride their bikes to their friends' houses (and school,…

I figured easily for the staff level and above engineer making 3-4x that amount and wanting to move to Europe. For the rest of us something close to 100k is easily doable.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by HWR_14 »

tourmalinetaco wrote: post #152
HWR_14 wrote: post #151

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People who go out of their way to carry guns in cities usually strike me as "more paranoid" and not "more cautious". I am far less likely to trust their assessment of danger.

So because someone values their life and belongings, and has the proper training to wield a firearm, you are less likely to trust their assessment of danger? So then who do you trust? And for the record, Mission has almost 4x the crime rate as California, which is already above the national average.[1] So it seems as though their “paranoia” was paying dividends. [1] - https://www.areavibes.com/san+francisco-ca/missio…

People who bring guns into urban areas have a bad assessment of danger, yes. There is almost no urban situation, especially on the street, where a concealed gun will help. It's not like anyone will give you a chance to draw your weapon if you are ambushed. And every mugger I've experienced or heard of starts with their weapon out or at least their hand on it. If you think you can quick-draw and beat them, you have watched too many movies.

And, for the record, the source you cited shows that crimes where you would be morally or legally justified to use deadly force to defend yourself (e.g. rape, murder, assault), are less frequent in California than the national average and less frequent in San Fransisco than in California's average. Absolutely, if you think using a gun is a valid response to someone breaking your car window you are absolutely not a good judge of threats. Nor are you a responsible gun owner and should be forced to surrender your gun.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by jojobas »

zoky wrote: post #105
freediverx wrote: post #102

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Maybe instead of complaining about homeless people we should complain about how capitalism creates homelessness.

Maybe instead of pretending homelessness is a strictly capitalist problem we should look at whether it’s been a problem elsewhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotjebi

You don't have a homelessness problem if you send the homeless to labour camps.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by courseofaction »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #154
courseofaction wrote: post #153

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They're not outlawing camping in a vacuum, they are outlawing an act of desperation which their own policies are driving people to. America is insane.

> they are outlawing an act of desperation which their own policies are driving people to. America is insane. So you mean, they should be allowed to keep their stuff (e.g. lots of stolen bikes) strung out in the middle of a park during a day, and they shouldn't have to move into shelters because they can't deal with their drug habits? If this were Switzerland (or specifically, Lausanne where I used to live), the Swis…

Wow daddy I'm impressed, use your strength on me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_Unite...

It's this. America does not invest in its social problems.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by mar225 »

derda wrote: post #75
smallerfish wrote: post #6

I happened to be digging around hotel trade publications yesterday (before deciding that the PMS space is a crowded mess with too many incumbents and a nightmare of necessary integrations), and found this, which may back up the article somewhat: > The steepest RevPAR declines were seen [for the last week in May] in San Francisco (-15.6% to US$108.49) and Orlando (-12.8% to US$109.48). https://www.hotel-online.com/pre…

What kind of PMS integrations did you look for? The space is horrible (especially so after Oracle bought Micros-Fidelio) but there are a ton of companies offering interfacing middlewares that connect to a ton of different PMS systems and offer a unified API.

Any suggestions on which middleware companies to look at if one was interested in learning more about what services they offer.

Re: Hotel Owners Start to Write Off San Francisco as Business Nosedives

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Post by prepend »

zoky wrote: post #22
prepend wrote: post #8

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> run down These aren’t run down hotels. These are both rated 4.2 [0, 1] and while aren’t the greatest in the world are both Hiltons and decent hotels. The criticism doesn’t change the nature of the original article in that San Francisco is less good as it once was and as a result businesses are defaulting on pretty big things rather than invest in keeping them up. The inaccurate language seems to have a “everything’…

The hotels may or may not be themselves run down, but there's also the neighborhood to consider, especially when you're talking about San Francisco. I know someone who used to travel to SF for work a lot, like 10-12 times a year. He had a favorite hotel there that was a block and a half away from his office. But every single time, he'd rent a car, just to drive from the underground parking at his hotel to the undergr…

> may or may not be themselves run down

That are not run down. My complaint is against writers who are inaccurate. It’s frustrating and wastes my time when writers do this poor quality work with mistakes. And it doesn’t seem like a mistake so much as a deception.

It’s not “may or may not” as these hotels are clearly not run down.

You’re right about then neighborhood, but the point that the article is trying to make is that it’s the hotels that suck, not the neighborhood. But that’s not true

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