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Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by whiskers »

stevenwoo wrote: post #137
uranium wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American bread certainly does go moldy, but the sugar absorbs moisture and keeps the bread softer longer. That being said, I'd much rather they used less. At this point it's pretty hard to buy a hamburger bun around here [SF] that doesn't taste like a brioche to me.

I started making baking at home when pandemic lockdowns started and with only flour, yeast, salt, oil and sugar my bread grows mold within one to two days (2 cups of flour with 1 teaspoon of sugar) I speculate my home humidity might be high without air conditioning or heat but it seems a lot of something is necessary to prevent commercial bread products from molding for a long time.

Home baked bread freezes really well so take advantage of that! I also bake a lot of bread at home and usually make a batch of 1kg of flour at a time, that results in two good sized loaves - one goes in the freezer until the other is finished.

I freeze it in an air tight bag, and I take it out of the freezer a day before we want to start using it and let it thaw at room temperature.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by gilmore606 »

notfed wrote: post #91

Hi, WHO. Are you okay? Did big sugar threaten you? Offer you money? Are some governments/sponsors making you say these ridiculous things? This is an extraordinary claim that defies common sense. And your evidence is, what? Oh right, let me quote from the paper: > The recommendation is based on evidence of low certainty overall

Not big sugar, big semaglutide. The timing of this anti-fake-sugar push with the release of a new patented weight loss drug isn't a coincidence.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by basq »

After a long period of stalled weight loss, I switched to a low carb diet (to reduce my feelings of hunger and aid in eating less), and with that came a plethora of keto-friendly protein bars. For a while I thought that 4/5 BMs being straight liquid was just my body acclimating to the diet, but after reading about how erythritol can cause diarrhea, I decided to hit the breaks on those bars and everything has gone back to normal overnight.

I may have one occasionally but definitely not going back to eating them every other day.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by odiroot »

gukov wrote: post #80
mberning wrote: post #65

I’m not giving up my Coke Zero. It’s an indulgence that I can live with long term. Unlike alcohol, donuts, pizza, and all the other shit that I enjoy but have to severely restrict.

It's probably the caffeine in Coke that keeps you going back. By the way: the newly reformulated Pepsi Zero has a lot more of it.

There's Coke Zero Gold or Zero Zero (depending on the country). No sugar, no caffeine.

I'm still addicted to the taste.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

orwin wrote: post #145
anonymouskimmer wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the positive side, while researching my comment, apparently that old boogieman of artificial sweeteners, saccharine, may be fine for humans (as the cancer-causing in rats is because of a unique rat feature that humans don't share).

I heard it was because the species of rat they used tend to get cancers anyway when they got older, and shouldn't be used in any long-term study. I love scientists, loved working with them, best clients i ever had (if you're a devops or automate dev/scientists tools, and have to regularly explain stuff to scientists and to other devs, we don't compare advantageously at all), but sometimes there is too much noise.

This is what I read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccharin#Warning_label_additi...

> However, in 2000, the warning labels were removed because scientists learned that rodents, unlike humans, have a unique combination of high pH, high calcium phosphate, and high protein levels in their urine.[34][35] One or more of the proteins that are more prevalent in male rats combine with calcium phosphate and saccharin to produce microcrystals that damage the lining of the bladder. Over time, the rat's bladder responds to this damage by overproducing cells to repair the damage, which leads to tumor formation. Since this does not occur in humans, there is no elevated risk of bladder cancer.[36]

I work in the biosciences (in a role between lab tech and actual scientist). So many things are provisionally accepted simply because you don't have the time or resources to verify them. Which is not too different from any other job, it just seems weird in the context of the sciences.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by Gibbon1 »

WonderBuilder wrote: post #6

It feels to me that this advisory was not put out sensibly. WHO advises "against [artificial sweetener] use" because they "do not help control body mass or reduce the risk of weight-related illnesses" and because long term "[may increase the risk] of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease". But is that enough reason to give such a blanket statement disallowance? What if you want to have some sweetness from time t…

What if I told you your gut has taste receptors?

Me as far as added sugar and artificial sweeteners is concerned, I'm out.

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by sschueller »

busyant wrote: post #95
Someone1234 wrote: post #10

This was posted when it was published in May. To use an analogy their argument is: Vaping is bad for you, don't do it. While ignoring that a ton of people quit smoking using vapes and that they're letting the perfect be the enemy of good. Same thing with NSS. While NSS are a useful tool for sugar reduction, studies have shown that over the medium-long term, you'll want to reduce artificially sweat foods and even swea…

> to create a "new normal" or new baseline where an e.g. strawberry is sweat again. Just an interesting story. About 5 years ago, I tried to cut out all processed carbs from my diet. After several months, I was away from home and I had to eat something ---the only thing open was a Dunkin Donuts. I ordered an egg-white sandwich on a plain English muffin, and for kicks I took a bite out of the English muffin. Holy shit…

I have the same experience but only takes 2 days of no sugar. After that a lot of food is way to sweet.

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Post by barbariangrunge »

AHOHA wrote: post #107

In all honesty, after and during Covid19, I find it hard to trust WHO or anything coming from hospitals’ doctors, integrity was lost, or maybe clear it was gone long ago.

Care to elaborate on how integrity was lost? I haven't been following the news much

Re: WHO advises against use of artificial sweeteners

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Post by barbariangrunge »

hedora wrote: post #27
WonderBuilder wrote: post #6

It feels to me that this advisory was not put out sensibly. WHO advises "against [artificial sweetener] use" because they "do not help control body mass or reduce the risk of weight-related illnesses" and because long term "[may increase the risk] of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease". But is that enough reason to give such a blanket statement disallowance? What if you want to have some sweetness from time t…

Artificial sweeteners have been shown to cause weight gain, since they make you hungrier, and also lower your metabolism. This was shown in follow up studies with humans, but with mice, they had three groups that each got a fixed amount of calorie counted food and a hamster wheel. They then added sugar to one group's water and artificial sweetener to another group's. The artificial sweetener groups gained the most we…

Interesting. Thanks for sharing

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Post by barbariangrunge »

hedora wrote: post #27
WonderBuilder wrote: post #6

It feels to me that this advisory was not put out sensibly. WHO advises "against [artificial sweetener] use" because they "do not help control body mass or reduce the risk of weight-related illnesses" and because long term "[may increase the risk] of type 2 diabetes and cardiovascular disease". But is that enough reason to give such a blanket statement disallowance? What if you want to have some sweetness from time t…

Artificial sweeteners have been shown to cause weight gain, since they make you hungrier, and also lower your metabolism. This was shown in follow up studies with humans, but with mice, they had three groups that each got a fixed amount of calorie counted food and a hamster wheel. They then added sugar to one group's water and artificial sweetener to another group's. The artificial sweetener groups gained the most we…

What about for dental health? I haven't had sugary drinks regularly for a long time, but when I do, my teeth almost instantly get covered in plaque. It feels so icky. The artificial sweetners must at least be helpful for that
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