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Air quality monitors: paying more does not get you more accuracy

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Re: Air quality monitors: paying more does not get you more accuracy

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That should be outright illegal... Why do they allow equipment that deliberately lies to the user?

Why are pharmaceutical companies allowed to sell medicine that has no improvement over placebo? See phenlyephrine which is in every single OTC decongestant/cold medication

That’s specifically because the DEA and congress cracked down on the useful alternative.

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At night you still sweat and breathe. In fact weight loss in general occurs by breathing. Your body gets energy by breaking carbon bonds, then disposes of the carbon via breathing out CO2.

There is zero way your body is losing a quarter pound at night through either process in a room at 70 degrees

According to [0], humans exhale about 11.0L of CO2 per hour at night. 02 in, CO2 out, so we can get mols of gas with ideal gas law and mass loss with molecular weight of carbon. If I did my math right, it comes out to 53.9g over 8 hours of sleep (if you can get that much ). (Americans: 0.118 lb/night). Not quite a quarter pound but maybe closer than you thought!

[0]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ina.12911

Re: Air quality monitors: paying more does not get you more accuracy

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There is zero way your body is losing a quarter pound at night through either process in a room at 70 degrees

According to [0], humans exhale about 11.0L of CO2 per hour at night. 02 in, CO2 out, so we can get mols of gas with ideal gas law and mass loss with molecular weight of carbon. If I did my math right, it comes out to 53.9g over 8 hours of sleep (if you can get that much ). (Americans: 0.118 lb/night). Not quite a quarter pound but maybe closer than you thought! [0] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ina.129…

Also, a Quarter Pounder is 417 Calories which is a bit less than 2000*8/24, so that checks out.

Re: Air quality monitors: paying more does not get you more accuracy

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For people who use Home Assistant, I've gone with DIY route with ESPHome [1] and senseair CO2 sensor. You can buy those sensors for +- 26 USD on AliExpress. Together with 5 USD, ESP32 devkit, it's mostly "solder"-n-play. Of course, I only have one of them, so I can't say if they are accurate, but I just need to know if the CO2 levels are normal (+- 400ppm) or high (+1000ppm), to open a window. I have tested it with j…

You could measure (almost) pure CO2 sensitivity by putting it in a pot with a glass of sparkling water.

Re: Air quality monitors: paying more does not get you more accuracy

#155
A relevant discussion about air quality sensors from less than a year ago:

"Many indoor air quality sensor products are a scam" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33025995

I almost bought Airgradient's pre-soldered kit[1] but I went with the Airthings View Plus[2] because it came with a Radon sensor. It's pricey (US$299), but not $1000 pricey as mentioned in the article. But I think I might still get the Airgradient sensor for another room just because it's cheaper and I don't need more than one Radon sensor.

1. https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/shop/#!/DIY-Pro...

2. https://www.airthings.com/en/view-plus

Re: Air quality monitors: paying more does not get you more accuracy

#156

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What is the difference between the indoor/outdoor kit? It seems the outdoor one contains more sensors but is less expensive? (or is this a nod to the article in some way ;)) My partner has a pottery studio with a kiln, it can get pretty smoggy in there when a firing is taking place (its unoccupied during, but it takes a while to settle afterwards), so I want to get a sensor. Are there any add-on sensors you can think…

The outdoor kit focuses on PM measurements with dual PM modules for enhanced accuracy. The indoor kit has in addition CO2 and an optional TVOC sensor. I think for a pottery studio to measure PM and VOCs is a good start (and CO2 to see how well the ventilation works).

Have you looked into the longevity of the Plantower PM sensors outdoors? I have long wanted to have one outside but I've always been reluctant because there is a lot of pollen around where I am during the warmer months and I assumed that would clog them up fairly quickly.

Re: Air quality monitors: paying more does not get you more accuracy

#157

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It's at the bottom of the first link you posted https://www.airgradient.com/open-airgradient/instructions/di... It's great that you chose to switch to an open source compatible licence.

Thanks for spotting this. I will change it later today.

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Re: Air quality monitors: paying more does not get you more accuracy

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post #156

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The outdoor kit focuses on PM measurements with dual PM modules for enhanced accuracy. The indoor kit has in addition CO2 and an optional TVOC sensor. I think for a pottery studio to measure PM and VOCs is a good start (and CO2 to see how well the ventilation works).

Have you looked into the longevity of the Plantower PM sensors outdoors? I have long wanted to have one outside but I've always been reluctant because there is a lot of pollen around where I am during the warmer months and I assumed that would clog them up fairly quickly.

Outdoors we see quite different lifetimes with the Plantower. Sometimes insects are getting into it and reduce the lifetime. No experience with pollen.

Re: Air quality monitors: paying more does not get you more accuracy

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I wouldn't say it's the same. Low cost air quality measurement is difficult. PM is tricky but almost manageable with laser scattering, toxic gases at typical inquinant concentrations are almost impossible to get right with electrochemical sensors, no matter how much money you throw at them. Weight measurement is easy, they could give you precise and accurate results but most customer base doesn't understand anything…

No, they lie to cover up the cheapness and inadequacy of their flextures. "Users can't handle the truth" is a bullshit excuse and you should be ashamed for making it.

That seems like an unnecessary escalation. It's possible that OP has observed what they're describing before.
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