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Post by kevinwang »

Loquebantur wrote: post #139
kevinwang wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the links, the interview was a good read! I guess if the findings are just like little chunks of metal with some weird isotopes I'm not very convinced that they're like alien technology or anything. The original article seems to be implying that there's like some extraordinary clear evidence of a vehicle or something, which would be much more shocking.

The whistleblower claims, crash retrieval programs exist which are reported by very believable people in the government to have craft of non-human origin. Your depiction of the story is clearly misleading. This here is a mere step in the direction of uncovering such "material evidence" as you would like to be presented right now, as if reality ever worked that way.

My comment was merely a reaction to the thread above, not the original article.

lisasays: this is rubbish because there's no first-hand evidence e.g. of the vehicle fragments of the Debrief article

phyallow: here's first-hand evidence [link to the vice article]

me: this is just weird bits of rock, which isn't obviously a vehicle fragment, and so this article isn't really as much of a proper response to lisasays' comment as it seems.

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Post by Pompidou »

graderjs wrote: post #92
Pompidou wrote: post #82

This claim is to common sens what tirany is to common good. If such absurdity become official, what is the next step ?

Well if common sens is based on the disinformation provided by a tyranical illegal secret structure, then waht? Heh Maybe you need to update your common sense. Make it uncommon sense, then it will be useful. :)

> tyranical illegal secret structure

In what way something secret would be tyranical ? Illegitimate, ok, but not tyranical.

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Post by graderjs »

Pompidou wrote: post #152
graderjs wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if common sens is based on the disinformation provided by a tyranical illegal secret structure, then waht? Heh Maybe you need to update your common sense. Make it uncommon sense, then it will be useful. :)

> tyranical illegal secret structure In what way something secret would be tyranical ? Illegitimate, ok, but not tyranical.

Tyrany was your analogy. I assume you mean an unjust and illegitimate imposition upon the common good, is alike to an unjust and illegitimate imposition against common sens.

You don't see how secrecy could be placed in the same position with regard to some other thing?

Left as an exercise for the reader. Let me know if you want the next tip! Ha ha ha! :)

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Post by graderjs »

hypnotode wrote: post #148
graderjs wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha ha ha! :) No, I replied the right one, you need to own your own opinion, but just go to your own limit, and remember you don't know me, so don't pretend you do, okay? Ha ha ha! Good! :)

Oh I was referring to myself when I said replied to the wrong comment. Seems I omitted the subject of the sentence, and you assumed I was referring to you. No one can ever know the mind of another, so we use the things others say and do to form simplified models. From the things you've posted in this thread, my model of you is someone who has believed the US government to be in possession of alien craft prior to Davi…

Right, I thought that at first but then I went with the opposite! Gave it to much time to cook, I suppose! Ha ha ha! :)

Ha ha ha! :) A sequence of y/n questions. A human is not a computer, you really don't know people, do you? Ha ha ha! :)

No, I am so much more than you can fathom. Your model of me is nothing, yet people can know the mind and more of another, a skill you have not yet mastered, I see. Ha ha ha! :)

You worry too much, and have not taken responsibility for your opinions, so you are lost in confusion. I could teach you how, but, I don't think you're ready. Ha ha ha! :)

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Post by awhitehat »

lisasays wrote: post #23
Loquebantur wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is blatant ignorance. More specifically, you are entirely ignoring the context here. > Other intelligence officials, both active and retired, with knowledge of these programs through their work in various agencies, have independently provided similar, corroborating information, both on and off the record. > The whistleblower, David Charles Grusch, 36, a decorated former combat officer in Afghanistan, is a vetera…

That's not evidence. That's hearsay. Fragments, please. Or photos, or at least reasonably credible scientific reports describing these fragments. Or at least something resembling, you know -- first-hand evidence . Otherwise there's nothing to talk about here. Can't believe I have to explain this on HN.

I hate to be pedantic, b--actually, that's not true; I enjoy it plenty well.

Hearsay is a TYPE of evidence, albeit not a particularly reliable type of evidence. But you are correct, it is hearsay, and in fact, its second-hand hearsay.

But more to Loquebantur's point here (I think this was his point), this IS fundamentally different than similar claims that came before. You have one guy from the government making these sorts of claims (that's not the different part, this next part is), and you have 2 other decorated government officials and colleagues willing to, not only speaking highly of Grusch's integrity, but CORROBORATING HIS EXACT CLAIMS, and even going on to provide a further anecdotes. That's not what normally happens. Also, it is fundamentally different for this reason as well: All of this information and whatever Grusch learned was provided to congress, behind closed door to those with the clearance to hear it. As far as I am aware of, this level of type of information has never been provided to congress before.

This not insignificant; Congress has the the power to subpoena information, compel testimony, and ultimately verify or debunk these claims and information. And ultimately, if they deem it pertinent to do so, they have the autonomy to inform the American public.

Now, not to totally invalidate your other point: I do think it is important to keep in mind here that Grusch himself has not seen any direct or hard evidence of 'materials of exotic origin'. He is merely saying that several high-level individuals have confided in him what is presumably first hand experiences, which, as you know, is second-hand hearsay.

So this leaves open the possibility that the individuals who were confiding in Grusch, were fooling themselves, were in some way deceived, or perhaps even wanting to fool Grusch himself.

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Post by hypnotode »

graderjs wrote: post #154
hypnotode wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh I was referring to myself when I said replied to the wrong comment. Seems I omitted the subject of the sentence, and you assumed I was referring to you. No one can ever know the mind of another, so we use the things others say and do to form simplified models. From the things you've posted in this thread, my model of you is someone who has believed the US government to be in possession of alien craft prior to Davi…

Right, I thought that at first but then I went with the opposite! Gave it to much time to cook, I suppose! Ha ha ha! :) Ha ha ha! :) A sequence of y/n questions. A human is not a computer, you really don't know people, do you? Ha ha ha! :) No, I am so much more than you can fathom. Your model of me is nothing, yet people can know the mind and more of another, a skill you have not yet mastered, I see. Ha ha ha! :) You…

No worries :)

>A human is not a computer

Yes they are. The human brain is a biological computer. Unfortunately, it is not optimized for accurate computation, thus the need for rigorous self-examination of the origin of one's beliefs. To know the mind of another would require 1:1 neural connections shared between you. That leaves no neurons left to be you. Obviously you don't use all of your neurons to simulate the minds of others, you only use some. Therefore, your model will not be perfectly accurate. It might get quite close, but there are some details you don't have because you haven't lived their life, you've only lived your own. Even with the help of psychedelics ;D

My model of you is simple because I have constructed it from the scant contents of a couple of comments. To assume more would be forming baseless assumptions off data I don't have, which would be irresponsible if I value the accuracy of my model, which I do. I don't presume or even really care to know anything about anything else you believe. I am only interested in this one claim in the intersection of our neural venn diagrams, that of the US government possessing alien craft. my yes/ no questions were an attempt to get you to articulate what you think you know and how you think you know it.

I take a great deal of responsibility for my opinions, which is why I will only change them when the source of new information can articulate both the what and the how better than I currently understand them. I told you exactly what I believe on this topic. I believe the leaker is real. I believe the programs are real. I believe they have found things they do not know how to explain. I do not believe they are in possession of alien craft that are bigger on the inside than the outside and can warp time. Basically this https://xkcd.com/2786/

Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by graderjs »

hypnotode wrote: post #156
graderjs wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, I thought that at first but then I went with the opposite! Gave it to much time to cook, I suppose! Ha ha ha! :) Ha ha ha! :) A sequence of y/n questions. A human is not a computer, you really don't know people, do you? Ha ha ha! :) No, I am so much more than you can fathom. Your model of me is nothing, yet people can know the mind and more of another, a skill you have not yet mastered, I see. Ha ha ha! :) You…

No worries :) >A human is not a computer Yes they are. The human brain is a biological computer. Unfortunately, it is not optimized for accurate computation, thus the need for rigorous self-examination of the origin of one's beliefs. To know the mind of another would require 1:1 neural connections shared between you. That leaves no neurons left to be you. Obviously you don't use all of your neurons to simulate the mi…

Ha ha ha! :) If you find that there, it's about nobody but you! Ha ha ha! :)

Ha ha! If that's as far as you want to go, don't blame your lack of adventure on inadequate evidence, own your view! Ha ha! :)

You will find your way back to that curiosity and openness that's your nature. When — is up to you. Ha ha ha! :) Can't help you man! Ha ha ha! :)

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