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CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by VagueMag »

oneshtein wrote: post #129
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a fair comparison. Frankly the Nazis are overrated. Nazis: ~6 million Soviet Union: ~20 million China Cultural Revolution: ~30 million Though the Soviet Union and China ones were more of a result of incredibly bad economic policies. The Soviets still killed ~1-2 million in Gulags directly. Let’s also not forget the Japanese genocides against China. Nanjing, Unit 731… There also is, of course, more recent ones th…

11 millions were killed, and 25 millions were starved to death by Soviets prior to the war. ("Svoboda" (Liberty, Ukrainian outlet in the USA) Oct 04 1941 [0]). Numbers are matching the (hidden and then destroyed) 1926 census, where Ukrainians were listed at 81 million and Russians at 77 million. Russians increased losses in WWWII from 12 to 42 millions to hide about 30 million of kills by Soviets. 0: http://web.archi…

Ukrainian outlet in the USA in 1941, hmmmmm....

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Post by WeylandYutani »

kornhole wrote: post #82
GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

A few engineered viruses can go a long way cheaply. Problem is you cannot control the spread. You need to have a vaccine ready for the blowback.

Money has never been a consideration for the Pentagon since 1941.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by cbHXBY1D »

jonathankoren wrote: post #64
KennyBlanken wrote: post #8

I stopped reading when the author categorized "prisoners of war being told to read confessions over Chinese propaganda radio" as "testifying publicly", almost at the start of the piece: > It was the propaganda version of an incendiary bomb. In 1952 U.S. Air Force and Marine flyers, shot down during the Korean War, testified publicly that they had been ordered to drop biological weapons (BW) on China and North Korea.…

Yeah, this is just a weird ass conspiratorial article. I didn’t read the whole thing, but I kept scanning for FOIA documents and the like, and never found any. It’s just captured pilots said so in North Korean media. Well, that’s not very reliable source. Did the US do a bunch of sketchy things in the 1950s and 60s? Absolutely. How do we know? We have the government documents. This guy has nothing, except sources of…

Most of these documents came from FOIA. See the author's Twitter: https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Ajeff_kaye%20foia&src=typ...

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Post by xcv123 »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #33
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a fair comparison. Frankly the Nazis are overrated. Nazis: ~6 million Soviet Union: ~20 million China Cultural Revolution: ~30 million Though the Soviet Union and China ones were more of a result of incredibly bad economic policies. The Soviets still killed ~1-2 million in Gulags directly. Let’s also not forget the Japanese genocides against China. Nanjing, Unit 731… There also is, of course, more recent ones th…

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Comically absurd Soviet propaganda without actual evidence. As credible as anything published by the North Korean government. The winners of WW2 wrote the history books.

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Post by xcv123 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #31
coldtea wrote: post #28

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If the comparison is the Holocaust and Gulags, you know yoy're near rock bottom

It’s a fair comparison. Frankly the Nazis are overrated. Nazis: ~6 million Soviet Union: ~20 million China Cultural Revolution: ~30 million Though the Soviet Union and China ones were more of a result of incredibly bad economic policies. The Soviets still killed ~1-2 million in Gulags directly. Let’s also not forget the Japanese genocides against China. Nanjing, Unit 731… There also is, of course, more recent ones th…

> Nazis: ~6 million

After many revisions the total death toll at each of the concentration camps where the Holocaust occurred (which just so happened to only occur on ex-Soviet territory) adds up to a tiny fraction of 6 million, but the overall "6 million" Soviet propaganda term was never revised.

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Post by hulitu »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #149
rvba wrote: post #144

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Binary of sarin is latest they got? Doesnt sound very "new".

The US destroyed it's chemical weapons stockpile in the 1990's and 2000's. After the fall of the Soviet Union, there's no use case for chemical weapons and precision weapons are more profitable.

> The US destroyed it's chemical weapons stockpile in the 1990's and 2000's.

Maybe officially.

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Post by coolhand2120 »

CIA: Oh we totally did that in the 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and we totally tried to cover it up for decades but hey we totally stopped now! Proof? We said we stopped didn't we? Why do you need proof?

Anyone who thinks we're still not doing it is a fool. COVID19 is in all likelihood bioweapons research gone wrong. It doesn't take much sleuthing to uncover the Eco Health Alliance application DARPA to test furin cleavage sites on bat corona viruses. DARPA told them "no" and yet here we are. Saying what I'm saying will get you labeled a conspiracy theorist. Would be a shame if there were ever people that conspired and we used that heuristic to dismiss people.

But that's OK with me, conspiracy theories are having a phenomenal few years! We should may consider changing the name to "spoiler alerts".

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Post by coolhand2120 »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-gra...

What would you describe this as? This was proposed to the US military. Then it was executed by the Chinese military.

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Post by fit2rule »

GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

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