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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by ummonk »

kemiller wrote: post #141
newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

Even if you total up all the models from other manufacturers, it still doesn't touch the model Y or model 3 for sheer volume. Add all 4 Tesla models up and it's a bloodbath. (This is in the markets people on HN probably care about, North America and Europe. China is another matter.)

Why would HN people not care about sales in China?

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by mikeryan »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #125

Half of it is the buying process.

You're being downvoted but I'm not sure you're entirely wrong.

I'm currently buying a Rivian Truck, pricing is straightforward and I could be buying a T-Shirt on a Shopify site. Simple, I know the price and the experience, while not always easy, has been straightforward.

My wife has suddenly needed a new car and leans towards a Mercedes or Audi EV and we're suddenly slammed back into going onto a lot and dealing with the normal car sales bullshit and it's a nuisance. Just test driving a car (which is a fairly significant thing for someone who's not driven an EV) is a high pressure situation.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by paxys »

danielmarkbruce wrote: post #125

Half of it is the buying process.

100%. Automakers go on about the "dealership experience", but I have never hated my life more than when trying to by a car at a local dealership.

- Had a confirmed appointment but when I showed up I still had to wait 45 minutes.

- Salespeople were clueless about the features of the car they were trying to sell. I knew more after 30 minutes of online research and had to constantly call out their bullshit.

- The car I had reserved was somehow no longer available, and then they tried to upsell me on extras I didn't want.

- I wanted manufacturer financing but they told me that wouldn't be possible and I had to get theirs at a much higher rate. I again had to threaten to walk out to get the advertised rate.

- All the dealerships in the area had priced their vehicles at $10K over MSRP, and the extra was pure profit for them. Heck they were making significantly more money on the car than the manufacturer themselves, all because of a government mandated monopoly.

And all this was for a >$50K luxury vehicle.

Meanwhile a friend configured a Tesla online and it showed up at his doorstep a couple weeks later, with the exact advertised price, financing and selections.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by [deleted] »

asdff wrote: post #93
cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

Big fast car with an automatic transmission is a recipe for you getting forced out of your lane by someone in over 5000lbs of metal who thinks their time is more important than considering your life by changing lanes to pass. O-60 entirely silently in 3 seconds, you won't even realize you are going fast enough to kill someone instantly.

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Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by sixQuarks »

gcgbcfy wrote: post #136
justrealist wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. If you hate Tesla that's a completely valid opinion,…

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You're the one that sounds like a bot. Owned a Tesla for the past 5 years, zero issues.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by [deleted] »

Shekelphile wrote: post #139
justrealist wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. If you hate Tesla that's a completely valid opinion,…

> EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. Until your AC fails in your s/x outside of warranty, or you get unlucky enough to have your Y's heat pump fall apart like thousands of people in cold climates have over the last few years. B…

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Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by nine_k »

mikeryan wrote: post #137

One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

This is reasonable. OTOH a really mass-produced car means that its production becomes optimized, quirks eventually fixed, rough edges polished, etc. With model Y, Tesla has a chance to polish the design and the production process and make the car reliable and of stable quality.

They of course can squander that chance, but they never had such a chance before at all, to my mind.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by dzhiurgis »

newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

Tesla is about to overtake BMW by car sales, not just EV

But you are quite right. Given Tesla's mission and recent discontinuation of X and S and in RHD markets it wouldn't be surprised if they eventually killed them altogether. Let the premium makers like BMW, MB, Lucid focus on a niche luxury markets; use Tesla's time to make cheaper EVs.

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Post by Hamuko »

nradov wrote: post #135
shusaku wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much does this really matter? I feel like Tesla is strong in the market because they figured out how to market an EV as a sports car. Toyota was never going to do that.

Why not? Toyota sells sports cars.

Toyota's sports cars actually show pretty well at how adverse they are to making them.

The Supra has a BMW engine, a BMW gearbox and a BMW interior with a BMW infotainment system, while the Toyota 86 is a joint project between Toyota and Subaru, with a Subaru engine and built in Subaru's plant.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

sixQuarks wrote: post #144
newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

I was wondering how HN was going to spin this. The problem with this argument is that the Model Y by itself outsold the entire BMW electric lineup combined. In fact, 4 times the entire combined amount.

This is goalpost-shifting from the title, which doesn’t limit the comparison to electric cars.
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