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How to start a Go project in 2023

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Re: How to start a Go project in 2023

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Post by xarope »

hnlmorg wrote: post #113
latchkey wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The servers are not all on gige. Many are on 100mbit and yes, that saturates the network when they are all updating. I learned through trial and error. The updates are not pushed, they are pulled. Why? Because the machines might be in some sort of rebooting state at any point. So trying to first communicate with the machine and timeouts from that, would just screw everything up. So, the machines check for an update o…

I’m curious why you’ve got servers on 100Mb. Last time I ran a server on 100Mb was more than 20 years ago. I remember the experience well because we needed AppleTalk support which wasn’t trivial on GbE (for reasons unrelated to GbE — but that’s another topic entirely). What’s your use case for having machines on 100Mb? Are you using GbE hardware but dropping down to 100Mb, and if not, where are you getting the hardwa…

could be IOT or edge type stuff that's POE'd?

Re: How to start a Go project in 2023

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

bitwize wrote: post #52
sureglymop wrote: post #27

Genuine question.. I'll often see Golang pretty heavily criticized here on hacker news. Either that or people say it's a boring language and not worth learning when there is something more interesting (usually referring to Rust or Zig). Why does it have such a bad image? Personally i like it as an alternative for python because: 1. It can build binaries that just work for most architectures quickly. 2. It has nice c-…

Yeah, it's pretty much optimized for junior programmers to write babby's first enterprise network service in. It's got a lot of features junior programmers think are nice and easy to work with, but as you mature as a developer its verbosity becomes annoying and its shortcomings become apparent. Using Go as a PHP alternative is pretty much the use case most aligned with its niche. So go nuts if you like doing that. Bu…

The post I'm replying to is downvoted and I should probably simply move on but there's key phrasing here I'd like to point out:

> optimized for junior programmers to write babby's first enterprise

This is the (toxic) attitude Go strives to distance itself from. There is no magic, we can all be equals in this place. It's humbling. I'm not aware of any other mainstream project that captures this essence so well.

There is power in a language equalizing things. If you aspire to wring elegance out of complex or esoteric language features then by all means have fun with that but I have no interest in working with you on that. Your definition of pain could not possibly be more diametrically opposed to mine.

Re: How to start a Go project in 2023

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

opportune wrote: post #103
sureglymop wrote: post #27

Genuine question.. I'll often see Golang pretty heavily criticized here on hacker news. Either that or people say it's a boring language and not worth learning when there is something more interesting (usually referring to Rust or Zig). Why does it have such a bad image? Personally i like it as an alternative for python because: 1. It can build binaries that just work for most architectures quickly. 2. It has nice c-…

Golang is IMO the best applications language. Most of my criticisms of it would be that it makes some systemsy things clunky, and because of garbage collection it just isn’t ideal for some systemsy stuff. I personally hate the empty interface and definition shadowing of Go but that could be just me not “getting it”. Fortunately at work we don’t use that too often I think most of the criticism is from people like me c…

> I think most of the criticism is from people like me coming from C++. I am continually baffled that people write web backends in Python and Node at all, to me they seem so inappropriate that criticizing them would be a waste of time

Care to elaborate? I'm curious what's wrong with either for web backends

Re: How to start a Go project in 2023

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Post by rickette »

andrenth wrote: post #102
jzelinskie wrote: post #4

Things I can't live without in a new Go project in no particular order: - https://github.com/golangci/golangci-lint - meta-linter - https://goreleaser.com - automate release workflows - https://magefile.org - build tool that can version your tools - https://godoc.org/github.com/ory/dockertest/v3 - run containers for e2e testing - https://github.com/ecordell/optgen - generate functional options - https://golang.org/x/…

> - https://godoc.org/github.com/ory/dockertest/v3 - run containers for e2e testing For this there is also the testcontainers project, which has support for Go and other languages. https://golang.testcontainers.org/

With the added benefit of being also available for other languages, java/kotlin, python, node, etc.

Great for integration testing.

Re: How to start a Go project in 2023

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Post by pjmlp »

didip wrote: post #106
lima wrote: post #17

How to start a new Go project: go mod init mymodule Go's default toolchain is fine, everything else is optional. Some questionable advice in the article: - Vendoring dependencies using "go mod vendor" is not a good default workflow - it bloats the repo, the checked in code is impossible to review, and is generally a pain to keep up to date. Don't, unless you really have to. - There's no point in stripping a binary or…

There is a benefit to using "go mod vendor". Some corporate environments lock down their CI/CD pipelines. By vendoring everything, the CI/CD does not need to make external HTTP calls.

They shouldn't do external calls anyway, all legally approved packages should be hosted on internal server.

Re: How to start a Go project in 2023

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Post by liampulles »

za3faran wrote: post #124
liampulles wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in general, one does not need frameworks in Go to the same degree as say Java or C# - it is an easier language to build things from scratch with I think.

Having worked on a large golang project that did not use any "frameworks", it gets clumsy quickly. There's nothing special in golang that makes it not need a framework. We ended up moving the project to a DI framework with an ORM-ish library since things got out of hand.

My experience at work is different, but I guess every project has its own needs

Re: How to start a Go project in 2023

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Post by pjmlp »

sureglymop wrote: post #27

Genuine question.. I'll often see Golang pretty heavily criticized here on hacker news. Either that or people say it's a boring language and not worth learning when there is something more interesting (usually referring to Rust or Zig). Why does it have such a bad image? Personally i like it as an alternative for python because: 1. It can build binaries that just work for most architectures quickly. 2. It has nice c-…

It would have been a great language, had it been released in 1992 - 1996, back when Oberon and Limbo, its influences, were making the rounds.

Nowadays, it is trailing most languages in expected set of features.

Go isn't the only alternative to running node/js or python on the server side.

Re: How to start a Go project in 2023

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Post by winrid »

opportune wrote: post #103
sureglymop wrote: post #27

Genuine question.. I'll often see Golang pretty heavily criticized here on hacker news. Either that or people say it's a boring language and not worth learning when there is something more interesting (usually referring to Rust or Zig). Why does it have such a bad image? Personally i like it as an alternative for python because: 1. It can build binaries that just work for most architectures quickly. 2. It has nice c-…

Golang is IMO the best applications language. Most of my criticisms of it would be that it makes some systemsy things clunky, and because of garbage collection it just isn’t ideal for some systemsy stuff. I personally hate the empty interface and definition shadowing of Go but that could be just me not “getting it”. Fortunately at work we don’t use that too often I think most of the criticism is from people like me c…

I mainly love Python because of Django. I haven't found a Go equivalent (generated db migrations, admin panel, DRF, etc).

Re: How to start a Go project in 2023

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Post by up2isomorphism »

lima wrote: post #17

How to start a new Go project: go mod init mymodule Go's default toolchain is fine, everything else is optional. Some questionable advice in the article: - Vendoring dependencies using "go mod vendor" is not a good default workflow - it bloats the repo, the checked in code is impossible to review, and is generally a pain to keep up to date. Don't, unless you really have to. - There's no point in stripping a binary or…

“Not keeping up to date “ is one of the mostly important features nowadays, in fact.
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