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Re: A rant on bus stops

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Post by Pigalowda »

Avshalom wrote: post #149
Pigalowda wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes yes very righteous and unproductive. My answer: 3 strike rule and semi permanent sequestration by the state. You get your cheap housing after all.

"sequestration" Incarceration. Slave labor. Because you saw a penis three times.

Personally I’d rather the US revisit O’Connor v. Donaldson. Because these people are completely incapable of living safely. There’s constant overdoses, constant deadly auto v peds, and constant severe transmittable disease.

If the US allowed it again then these people should be sequestered in psychiatric units which can be comfortable and have amenities after the psychotic and bipolar have been stabilized. Rehabilitation centers for the addicted and managed convalescence centers. If they keep at their previous behaviors then they get longer and longer stays in sequestration.

If you want prisons and slaves - fine. If that’s your uncreative pitiful solution besides throwing cash away and creating ghettos, so be it. I’m not sure what the penis comment is about.

Re: A rant on bus stops

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Post by tmnvix »

wilg wrote: post #142
tmnvix wrote: post #115

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I'm not going to argue that building more housing will not help the situation, but I think it would also be worth looking at some of the underlying reasons for the lack of available housing. I would bet my bottom dollar that the proportion of residences that are not used as a primary residence is higher today than it was 30 years ago. A few reasons that this would be the case in my opinion: - A second home (holiday h…

A lot of people think this, but it's not a meaningful counterargument, nor do I think there are simple regulatory changes that would help much. https://journal.firsttuesday.us/californias-distinctly-low-v...

Thanks for sharing this link. It's rare to see people acknowledge the difference between the actual vacancy rate and the vacancy rate as measured by the proportion of properties in the rental market that are currently unoccupied.

9% as stated in the article is a lot in my opinion. That roughly one in every ten houses is not currently a primary residence points to a big problem (as I suggested in my earlier comment).

Could you elaborate on why you suggest this figure (or the content of the linked article) makes my argument not meaningful?

Re: A rant on bus stops

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Post by cwalv »

wilg wrote: post #141
Pigalowda wrote: post #59

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What’s with these “data-driven” nonsense posts? You live in a west coast city? Go outside! Use your eyeballs! You think the naked guy who’s floridly psychotic and taking a dump on the sidewalk would be A OK with a cheap dwelling? The people smoking fentanyl at the train station and on the buses? They just need a little house and they’ll be fine? Such utter neoliberal nonsense.

This is, obviously, intellectually lazy. The article discusses mental health and drugs and why they cannot be the main issue. Anecdotes don't really change that, hence why people use data instead of their emotions to solve problems.

Intellectually lazy, maybe, but funny and easy to relate to.

Of course, a cheapo home won't help that guy. But without the 'data', we also don't know how much of the overall homeless population is like that. And regardless, that guy will still be there with more housing, so it'd be hard to call the problem solved.

Re: A rant on bus stops

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Post by hotpotamus »

Pigalowda wrote: post #151
Avshalom wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"sequestration" Incarceration. Slave labor. Because you saw a penis three times.

Personally I’d rather the US revisit O’Connor v. Donaldson. Because these people are completely incapable of living safely. There’s constant overdoses, constant deadly auto v peds, and constant severe transmittable disease. If the US allowed it again then these people should be sequestered in psychiatric units which can be comfortable and have amenities after the psychotic and bipolar have been stabilized. Rehabilita…

I wish everyone would get vaccinated against transmittable diseases to include covid and influenza, but if I started saying the government should mandate it, I'd be called an authoritarian. Forcing psychotropic drugs into people seems like quite a step beyond that.

Also, apparently these homeless people have much better insurance than I do if it's feasible for them to live in psychiatric hospitals with any kind of amenity.

Re: A rant on bus stops

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Post by Avshalom »

Pigalowda wrote: post #151
Avshalom wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"sequestration" Incarceration. Slave labor. Because you saw a penis three times.

Personally I’d rather the US revisit O’Connor v. Donaldson. Because these people are completely incapable of living safely. There’s constant overdoses, constant deadly auto v peds, and constant severe transmittable disease. If the US allowed it again then these people should be sequestered in psychiatric units which can be comfortable and have amenities after the psychotic and bipolar have been stabilized. Rehabilita…

>centers.

That they're not allowed to leave?

>which can be comfortable and have amenities

That have to be maintained by city expenditure?

You're not even describing "prison with extra steps" you're just describing prison.

Re: A rant on bus stops

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Post by Avshalom »

Pigalowda wrote: post #151
Avshalom wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"sequestration" Incarceration. Slave labor. Because you saw a penis three times.

Personally I’d rather the US revisit O’Connor v. Donaldson. Because these people are completely incapable of living safely. There’s constant overdoses, constant deadly auto v peds, and constant severe transmittable disease. If the US allowed it again then these people should be sequestered in psychiatric units which can be comfortable and have amenities after the psychotic and bipolar have been stabilized. Rehabilita…

Also, what about the ones that don't have psychiatric problems (i.e. the vast majority of the unhoused)?

Re: A rant on bus stops

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Post by Pigalowda »

Avshalom wrote: post #155
Pigalowda wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I’d rather the US revisit O’Connor v. Donaldson. Because these people are completely incapable of living safely. There’s constant overdoses, constant deadly auto v peds, and constant severe transmittable disease. If the US allowed it again then these people should be sequestered in psychiatric units which can be comfortable and have amenities after the psychotic and bipolar have been stabilized. Rehabilita…

>centers. That they're not allowed to leave? >which can be comfortable and have amenities That have to be maintained by city expenditure? You're not even describing "prison with extra steps" you're just describing prison.

Yep that’s it. Everything is a prison. Zzzz

Re: A rant on bus stops

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Post by Avshalom »

Pigalowda wrote: post #151
Avshalom wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"sequestration" Incarceration. Slave labor. Because you saw a penis three times.

Personally I’d rather the US revisit O’Connor v. Donaldson. Because these people are completely incapable of living safely. There’s constant overdoses, constant deadly auto v peds, and constant severe transmittable disease. If the US allowed it again then these people should be sequestered in psychiatric units which can be comfortable and have amenities after the psychotic and bipolar have been stabilized. Rehabilita…

And when they get discharged from these "comfortable" psych units and still have no housing... what then?

Re: A rant on bus stops

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Post by Avshalom »

Pigalowda wrote: post #157
Avshalom wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>centers. That they're not allowed to leave? >which can be comfortable and have amenities That have to be maintained by city expenditure? You're not even describing "prison with extra steps" you're just describing prison.

Yep that’s it. Everything is a prison. Zzzz

Not everything is prison, but involuntary holds in psychiatric facilities are, and they're more expensive than just paying somebodies rent.

Re: A rant on bus stops

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Post by [deleted] »

tmnvix wrote: post #152
wilg wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people think this, but it's not a meaningful counterargument, nor do I think there are simple regulatory changes that would help much. https://journal.firsttuesday.us/californias-distinctly-low-v...

Thanks for sharing this link. It's rare to see people acknowledge the difference between the actual vacancy rate and the vacancy rate as measured by the proportion of properties in the rental market that are currently unoccupied. 9% as stated in the article is a lot in my opinion. That roughly one in every ten houses is not currently a primary residence points to a big problem (as I suggested in my earlier comment).…

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