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Where have all the hackers gone?

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Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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> Engineering leaders lead from a place of fear and risk-aversion instead of optimism and believing in their team.

Yeah exactly. You're barking up the wrong tree. If you want to see optimism, go to a startup. The hackers aren't going to work for you at one of the big tech companies no matter how great you think that place still is.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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> They'd still be there Unfortunately. Not sure the concentration of Zuckerbergs and the concentration of hackers is particularly related, except maybe the latter attracts the former. Zuckerberg's no genius, he was in the right place at the right time near the right people. He's competent, but no more than most of the people here. His morals (or the flexibility thereof) were what made him rich.

I really wish I was so brimming with self-confidence as to say that I'm just as competent as the guy who founded the eighth or so most valuable company on Earth, and he was just in the right place at the right time. Zuckerberg is clearly a not-great guy in some ways, but the reason we're all posting on Hacker News during the workday and he's running a centibillion dollar company is because he's an immensely intellige…

I with I was as starry-eyed as to think he did it because of his "hacker skills"...

>the reason we're all posting on Hacker News during the workday and he's running a centibillion dollar company is because he's an immensely intelligent and talented and focused man and we are... well, the kind of people who post on internet forums during the workday.

There are people who post regularly in HN (even in the top-50 contributors) who as hackers and programmers (and work ethic) run not just circles, but the 10-dimensional equivalent of a circle, around Zuckenberg, and have no "multi-billion dollar" companies...

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

#153

Alright. Lets say in any group of people you have a normal distribution of people caring about the thing you care about. On the left, people dont care at all. On the right people think its the most important thing on the planet. An argument that suggests people dont want to talk about the things you want to talk about and then uses fabricated classes of thinkers to suggest the things you care about are the grounded o…

It occurs to me that if you buy into the concept that there are "posers" and also "the real deal", then the first thing the posers should do is start whining about "gatekeeping" and how awful it is. It's just the best strategy considering their lack of merit. If the terminology "gatekeeping" hasn't been invented yet, then it would be strategic to invent that word.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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> Languages with proper concurrency like JVM, BEAM, or Go don't require Sidekiq or Celery queues This author needs to understand with web/api programming, even using JVM, Go, etc still require Celery/Sidekiq/WakaQ for siloing. You don't want some developer using Go to hog 100% of all webserver CPU doing something concurrently but which should have been done on a background server.

No, you don't require those things. If you're using the proper primitives, they literally can't hog 100% of the server CPU. In fact, the default concurrency primitives in the BEAM/Go do not hog 100% of the CPU , meaning you literally have to go out of your way to fuck it up. This makes a difference, and means you do not require queues for properly silo'd background tasks.

As the author of Sidekiq, I'd very strongly disagree. The key thing you are missing in those systems is long-term error handling. What happens if the remote side goes down for a few hours? This is the purpose of *persistent* background jobs: resiliency in the face of a wild west Internet.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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post #45

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The entire point of Go is that it's designed for less talented programmers, i.e. people who can't understand or don't want to put in the effort to understand those things. That's the whole appeal of many programming languages, they massively simplify the mental model (for a price). I've been a lot happier and more productive since I switched to a slow language (which younger me would have been sad to hear).

You misspelled JavaScript

Crying isn't going to open up the browser to your favorite language, and no the DOM API will never be exposed to WASM. JavaScript is here to stay.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Just to set the context: I like Golang as a language, but I think writing a program that's more than ~10k lines of code in Golang is a mistake (honestly, the limit is probably a lot lower), and I also don't think they should've added generics, just leave the language as useful as it is. Anyway, I think the author missed the point a bit with his friends argument about "Go developers knew that all you need is a for loo…

Having worked with Scala I disagree it’s a safe choice. Scala is a huge, complicated, difficult language built on the huge (but very powerful) JVM. It’s also hard to hire Scala devs AND hard to train non Scala devs to write Scala, because it’s not a language you can learn in a weekend. (Speaking from experience)

Also speaking from experience: Scala takes much less time to learn if you have someone familiar with regular programming concepts (not FP religion) to decode it for you. But ultimately agree, it's a bad choice for pretty much any purpose.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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post #44

I think the author of this article grossly misunderstood the purpose of his interaction which lead to this article. You aren't architecting a new programming language, man, you're talking to a guy about computers because you're wearing a shirt of a computer thing he liked. He wanted to talk to you because he had a mutual passion he wanted to share, and you openly challenged him in front of other people. Sorry, you we…

I agree, the recount of that interaction had major "Oh you love X? Name every Y.[1]" Vibes

1. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/oh-you-love-x-name-every-y

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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post #138

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You don't know what the other person really wanted or thought - and neither did the author, apparently. The breakdown in communication here is that you, and the author, had certain expectations, assumptions, and unknown information, and you both made conclusions based on all that variable, unknowable, uncommunicated stuff. Rather than assume what's going on in the other person's head, ask them. Assume good faith unti…

My issue isn't what he said, it's how he said it. He could have been more respectful about the other person's opinion about go, but "I suspect he didn't know or think much about [feautures of go]" suggests a very prevalent judgmental attitude towards CS I feel brings the culture of the industry down. > He instead emphatically talked about how much he loved that "the Go developers knew that all you need is a for loop.…

>All you need is a for loop? Interesting! Why did they say that? What design decisions informs this approach?

For starters, Go not having a while loop.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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Have other people observed the sentiment the author observes, around hackers being less common? The author has a list of reasons (VC money, business culture, managers, fear of the unknown). I, personally, have observed this reduction over my career, and I have my own idea of why that might be, my own phrasing of it. Perhaps it gets at the same thing as the author from a different angle. I think the reason, plain and…

I think the hacker culture of the ‘90s to early ‘00s is behind us, and it really saddens me. I’ve yet to find a corner of the current tech / startup landscape that ignites the same excitement I felt over a decade ago. It’s too commercial now.

As someone that was born in the '90s and didn't really get access to the internet until ~2005 I feel like the "hacker culture" that I saw referenced in movies like Hackers (1995) was just a dream. I continue to feel like I haven't yet met people that even come close and continue to hope I can find them, but perhaps it was all just an illusion (or an over-exaggeration by Hollywood) and they never existed or they became extinct once the 90s ended.

Re: Where have all the hackers gone?

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post #74

Have other people observed the sentiment the author observes, around hackers being less common? The author has a list of reasons (VC money, business culture, managers, fear of the unknown). I, personally, have observed this reduction over my career, and I have my own idea of why that might be, my own phrasing of it. Perhaps it gets at the same thing as the author from a different angle. I think the reason, plain and…

Yeah I think you nailed it. I think there's also different levels of hacker culture. I couldn't tell you a thing about golang's GC, but as a young kid I was absolutely fascinated by computers and learning at such an extreme pace. I was much more of a hacker type than I am now. And much of that is because I had basically unlimited time to learn. And you had to have a passion for it because there was typically no one to help you back then. Some of the stuff I coded as a kid I would struggle to make even now!
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