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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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I wonder how many Chinese-manufactured goods the state of Montana bought yesterday while issuing this statement.

I've you've never had to do business with people you don't like, color me impressed

People you don't like =/= adversaries

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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My only consolation in this shitstorm is that it's been expanded to include "all social media applications that collect and provide users' personal information or data to a foreign adversary, or a person or entity located within a country designated as a foreign adversary." So, yeah. I guess it's time to shut 'em all down. Now we just wait for the "I didn't mean American companies" retraction.

That such bans don't include domestic companies spying on people and providing that data to domestic entities says everything about how bankrupt this whole thing is.

Mainstream conservatives/Republicans swung hard in the direction of supporting domestic spying and surveillance in the early 2000s and have never swung back. They hate the government but (with some justification) assume that law enforcement is on their side.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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I wonder how many Chinese-manufactured goods the state of Montana bought yesterday while issuing this statement.

Trading with your adversaries is a good way to not start a war.

A $250b/year trade deficit will weaken you over time while you might just be kicking the can down the road. The generation having to fight the war will have lesser chances of winning it.

Trade (especially massively imbalanced trade) with a communist dictatorship is not a good idea.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Slightly off topic - I'm not sure I've heard the gov stating it plainly in the recent years: "the People's Republic of China is an adversary of the United States" (from the bill). Did I just miss it / glance over, or is this out of character for officially released gov documents?

I wonder how many Chinese-manufactured goods the state of Montana bought yesterday while issuing this statement.

Chinese subsidy and abuse of global trade systems is a big part of what makes them an adversary.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Slightly off topic - I'm not sure I've heard the gov stating it plainly in the recent years: "the People's Republic of China is an adversary of the United States" (from the bill). Did I just miss it / glance over, or is this out of character for officially released gov documents?

I wonder how many Chinese-manufactured goods the state of Montana bought yesterday while issuing this statement.

The $5/dozen t-shirt has little possibility of collecting private data and sending it to the mother ship

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

#156

Installed the app last night. It would be interesting to see their DAU graph for the state! Something worthwhile noting here is that the usual "politicians don't understand the technology" sentiment doesn't apply here because our governor at least knows how to code Perl, and ran a software company.

Why would you install that app on your personal phone? Even in some misplaced sense of rebellion, you're basically inviting spyware into your life.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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> Why are legislators so focused on banning TikTok, rather than regulating whatever it is that TikTok does that they don't like There are two issues with TikTok: privacy and national security. The latter is what this is about. (Related to e.g. our foreign media ownership rules.) The federal legislation is trying to create an extensible system for forcing divestiture based on requirements you describe. This is more ha…

There's also the third issue, which is much more problematic to fix with regulation: short-form video is absolutely killing youth attention span. I know students who will ask another student a question, and then lose focus and zone out within literally 3 seconds and not hear the answer. This was not nearly as prevalent a decade ago.

But this ban clearly has nothing to do with that, because it's only about Tiktok and ignores all other short form video.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Last I heard, there was a "per use" fine for usage as well. Honestly, I haven't looked at this farce of a bill since it was first introduced. EDIT: S1: An entity violates this prohibition when any of the following occurs within the territorial jurisdiction of Montana: (a) the operation of tiktok by the company or users; or (b) the option to download the tiktok mobile application by a mobile application store.

Does a state even have a right to do something like this? Somehow, I feel like if California tried to ban Fox News - it would not fly. This doesn't seem that different, though I personally find it amusing that it's coming from a conservative state. I do agree TikTok is toxic trash - but I'd say the same about Fox News - and it just doesn't seem like something a state has the ability to ban.

It's predictable that it's coming from a conservative state. That they are broadly against using state power to ban things is part of their identity and marketing but not reality. Especially when it can be construed as a social-moral problem.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Does a state even have a right to do something like this? Somehow, I feel like if California tried to ban Fox News - it would not fly. This doesn't seem that different, though I personally find it amusing that it's coming from a conservative state. I do agree TikTok is toxic trash - but I'd say the same about Fox News - and it just doesn't seem like something a state has the ability to ban.

As I understand it, no. Montana would have to be effectively regulating interstate trade since neither Apple nor Google have offices here. Plus, the whole "negotiate commerce and treaties with foreign entities" thing.

The Supreme Court just upheld California rules about the sale of pork. Looking at it strictly from the interstate commerce view, this doesn’t appear much different.
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