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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by vidarh »

rektide wrote: post #93
maztaim wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you expecting to run off all four slots that makes that a dealbreaker?

Expect the unexpected. It doesn't have to be a rational known ask. We are Hackers. We want to be ready for whatever. That day when there's a 4 screen display wall? Ready. Connecting to a thunderbolt NAS, a display, a desktop, and our friends laptop? Ready. "What is the use case" is the deadening soul sucking most un Hackerly thing to ask. Computers are amazing general purpose machines & we celebrate their flexible ut…

Any reason why you can't hook up that 4 screen display wall and that NAS at the same time by chaining DisplayPort and/or using a USB4 hub?

To me, being hackers means finding ways of circumventing limits, rather than expecting all kinds of connectivity to just be handed to you the easiest possible way.

> Edit: based on the voting, I guess only some of us on HN are Hackers! I also have example use cases too, to be constructive, but guess that's not enough for the cynics.

What's attracting downvotes is more likely to be gatekeeping language like this.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by joshspankit »

rektide wrote: post #77

There's a "Ryzen AI" on these AMD cores that is really a modest sized fpga, supposedly. Linux has been landing some support for interfacing with this- calling it XDNA (on a new "CDX" bus) - but no signs yet that users can program it. Would be a fun thing to get exposed to users. Fingers crossed that actually happens; I could definitely see this being very vendored up, that it ends up only really running a couple pred…

Having fpgas on-board feels like something that would have been a game-changer even pre-ai. Imagine if your Ryzen chip could do hardware encode/decode of h266 the moment the spec was finalized.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by joshspankit »

estebank wrote: post #96
jeffbee wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Framework wifi card for Intel is an AX201 implementation, which means the only thing on the card is the RF and the rest of the wireless functions are in the Intel SoC. You can't use an AX201 with anything but an Intel platform because of CNVi.

The modern/hardware equivalent of a WinModem.

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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by madhato »

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #131
whoisthemachine wrote: post #105

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

I'm genuinely interested in this use case. Do you keep the laptop on a desk when you're using the touchscreen? I don't think framework has hinges that convert it into a tablet-esque form, so I'm kinda flummoxed on how a touchscreen is useful for long articles. Something about reaching out and touching the screen seems laborious compared to scrolling on a mousewheel or swiping slightly on a trackpad (or even just pres…

Easily the best use of a touchscreen is developing mobile websites/apps. I only buy laptops with touchscreens as its indispensable for mobile development.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by kej »

jonesetc wrote: post #59
tuukkah wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what's all new today is that preorders are now open: "Framework Laptop 13 with AMD Ryzen preorderable"

The new thing is the specific CPU announcement. I'm pretty sure preorders have stayed open since the initial announcement a few weeks back.

Correct, and AMD preorders recently sold out for Q3 and are now into Q4.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by mixmastamyk »

maztaim wrote: post #51
avargas wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently with the Ryzen processor, the slots are limited: "The Framework Laptop 13 with Ryzen™ 7040 Series processors has two fully capable USB4 ports, with the back left and back right Expansion Cards slots. The front left Expansion Card slot can handle both USB 3.2 and DisplayPort Alt Mode, while the front right Expansion Card can use USB 3.2. This does mean there is one Expansion Card slot that can't support the…

What are you expecting to run off all four slots that makes that a dealbreaker?

The whole point of the slots is to be able to rearrange them. If such options are limited, they may as well be standard ports, which would use less space.

It basically negates a significant portion of the utility of the device.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by whoisthemachine »

znpy wrote: post #134
whoisthemachine wrote: post #105

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

on the other hand, i would think twice before buying a laptop with touchscreen. i don't use it at all and it's mostly a waste of battery power, as there usually is no way to explicitly power it down (except maybe opening the laptop and snipping the right cable -- but who wants to do that ?)

How big of a power draw is a touch screen? I would think that's a solved problem given the plethora of touch devices we have.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by skrtskrt »

dcow wrote: post #109
_V_ wrote: post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

Can I ask what workloads you’re running where 8TB storage and 64gb ram aren’t enough? On a laptop…

on a 13 inch laptop at that

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by cptskippy »

beezlebroxxxxxx wrote: post #131
whoisthemachine wrote: post #105

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

I'm genuinely interested in this use case. Do you keep the laptop on a desk when you're using the touchscreen? I don't think framework has hinges that convert it into a tablet-esque form, so I'm kinda flummoxed on how a touchscreen is useful for long articles. Something about reaching out and touching the screen seems laborious compared to scrolling on a mousewheel or swiping slightly on a trackpad (or even just pres…

I have a Lenovo Yoga 2 laptop that flips around to Tablet mode and found that I almost never use that mode. I do however use the Touchscreen all the time for reading.

When you're sitting with a laptop on your lap using the keyboard, you typically have it pushed out resting on your thighs toward your knees so that your hands can access the keyboard and touchpad.

When you have a touchscreen, you can pull the laptop closer so that your hands are behind the screen like when holding a book or magazine. The touchscreen allows you to thumb scroll up and down. And because it's a laptop and not a tablet, you don't get fatigued holding it in this reading position because the chassis is supporting the screen and not your hands.

It's actually quite nice and I will likely never purchase a laptop without touch again for that reason alone. The touchscreen is definitely niche, like Thinkpad nubbins.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by moffkalast »

_V_ wrote: post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

A 4K resolution on a 13.5-inch monitor? That's almost as bad of a waste of GPU as mining bitcoin.

Just for fun I did some calculations, at 1080p a pixel is 0.1483 mm wide, at 4K it's 0.0742 mm. With the eye's angular resolution of 1 arcminute at say half a meter away, that's 500 mm * tan(1/60°) = 0.1455 mm. Even someone with perfect eyesight could hardly be able to tell. Do you intend to use it as a VR headset?

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