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FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by bionsystem »

lumb63 wrote: post #88

Does anyone have tips on how to watch chess? I got pretty into chess during lockdown. I read several books on the subject, was playing a few hours each day. I had friends who got into it as well, and they would watch the tournaments and high profile matches, but I couldn't enjoy them. I didn't feel like I understood the game enough, and the commentary sometimes went over my head/went by too quickly. Anyone been in th…

Alright since everybody gives his favorite streamer / youtuber, I'll share mine : GM Ben Finegold. If you can support the dad jokes, he doesn't bore you with theory and often goes quickly to parts of the game where there is something to learn, whether you are casual or club-level. He has decades of teaching and coaching and has good pedagogy as a result.

Particularly the candidates games (qualifier of this wcc match) are 10-20min long. He also uploads entire courses on his channel that he gives on stream or that he gave live in his current or previous club.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by ninepoints »

mellosouls wrote: post #50
jyscao wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find Botez sisters obnoxious tbh

They've been a massive positive for chess. People (especially young people) aren't being introduced to its excitement and beauty via Ding & Nepo playing loooooooong matches in championships like this. They may go on to watch the world championship after Botez have converted them though.

I'm sure they also abetted people losing their savings in FTX though.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by vikingerik »

Bootvis wrote: post #110
vikingerik wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "Ding froze" assessment from game 7 was the fake-news media meme but wasn't the reality. He explained it after the fact. He knew what he was doing. He thought his position was lost, so he was calculating everything to look for a line to save a draw with perpetual checks / threefold repetition. He felt he had nothing to lose by expending all his time searching for that since he was going to lose anyway if he didn'…

c5 in game 9 by Nepo of the match against Carlsen was not a high variance play but just playing way below his level. All the commentators spotted it instantly.

That was the mistake I was talking about - but yeah I misremembered the sequence of events. Nepo was already down by a game then, the very long game 6. After game 9 he was pushing for high variance.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by oldstrangers »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #131
oldstrangers wrote: post #92

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Well yeah, the match format wasn't ridiculous in the 80s and 90s when it was still human prep vs human prep.

So, now you have computers that show you the best moves, ok. But this knowledge still has to be squeezed into a human brain. So I don't see any problem with the match format. And even 'draw death' talks are laughable after latest candidates tournament and yours championship.

Memorizing 20-30 or even 40 lines is next to trivial for a Super GM. And prior to this year with more decisive games, the championship was becoming incredibly stale with every event being decided by tie breaks. And despite how exciting this event was, it was still decided by rapid tiebreaks. So do what Carlsen says, reduce the number of classical games and throw in rapid and blitz, winner takes all. That makes the most sense.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by __s »

ninepoints wrote: post #7
davidguetta wrote: post #3

Thanks to the commentators to make the game accessible to us 1100 elo > It's funny because at my level I thought it made 100% sense to decline draw and go Rg6. With two beautiful passed pawns and a bishop in the middle ding had a clear plan and very low risk (to me) to lose while Nepo had to do so many super accurate queen moves to defend... which seemed impossible (to me) in time pressure. It's basically (to me, aga…

It was only low risk in hindsight. Yes the two pawns looked good, but the black king wasn't exactly completely secure either.

Hence they said (to me) because low elo players are going to underestimate value of activity & king safety

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by fasterik »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49
agubelu wrote: post #22

It was a very exciting WCC, but I feel like something should be done about the post-match press conferences. Many of the questions asked in the most prestigious chess tournament are not even remotely related to the games that were played, and sometimes plainly disrespectful towards the players. The first question right after a new World Champion has been crowned was about the weather.

Hard to take the WCC seriously when everyone know Carlsen would have won and just find the whole thing too boring to take part.

I don't see why that implies we shouldn't take it seriously. The world #1 didn't want to play, so we got a great match between the world #2 and #3 with some very interesting and complex games. Do you also think that Karpov shouldn't have been taken seriously as world champion?

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by hgsgm »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #111
kelipso wrote: post #63

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Chess isn't really big in China. Maybe will get more popular with Ding now but I'm not holding my breath.

Chess is huge in China. The women’s world champion and also number two are both Chinese. You are right that Chess is not as popular as Go in China.

Norway is a small country (1/300th the population of China) with Magnus Carlson. Chess could be of interest to a small fraction of China and still produce champions.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by hgsgm »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #136
rabite wrote: post #125

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Ding is in fact the sole player that can make this not statement not true, as he is a candidate with a known positive score against Magnus. A couple WCCs ago Magnus said Ding was the only player that he wasn't sure he could win against -- but that he wouldn't make it, after a poor showing in the candidates at the time. Anyways, I don't know who would win in a Carlsen - Ding WCC. Nobody does. If the game statistics ar…

Prior to previous championship match Nepo also had positive score vs Carlsen.

And Carlsen attended that match.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by somenameforme »

ohashi wrote: post #107
somenameforme wrote: post #70

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Long World Championship matches and normal tournaments are two very different beasts. Kramnik [convincingly] defeated Kasparov for the world championship in 2000, yet Kasparov was still the indisputably strongest tournament player in the world, and would remain so for the entirety of Kramnik's 6 year reign. Magnus' recent title defenses, except against Ian, have not been convincing. And against Ian, he was largely gi…

He was undefeated for 10 years and you're rationalizing that he somehow isn't the best player because some other guy once lost in this format? And his undefeated streak over 10 years wasn't convincing enough for you? That just... doesn't make sense.

That "some other guy" was the undefeated world champion for 15 years, the world #1 player for 21 years, and more. He was much more dominant than even Magnus. Yet it was a similar story for him where his match dominance ended well before his tournament dominance did. Even after losing the world championship title, he would remain world #1 for about 6 more years.

Maintaining dominance against a peer (and their team) who spend the better part of a year doing nothing but preparing for you, is very different than maintaining it in the relatively far more casual environment of tournaments. And there's a big ego trap here. Quitting is easy, especially when you're on top. Continuing to fight until the day you fall is hard, and requires immense character.

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Post by FreakLegion »

rabite wrote: post #125
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to take the WCC seriously when everyone know Carlsen would have won and just find the whole thing too boring to take part.

Ding is in fact the sole player that can make this not statement not true, as he is a candidate with a known positive score against Magnus. A couple WCCs ago Magnus said Ding was the only player that he wasn't sure he could win against -- but that he wouldn't make it, after a poor showing in the candidates at the time. Anyways, I don't know who would win in a Carlsen - Ding WCC. Nobody does. If the game statistics ar…

Ding has a losing record against Magnus in every time control.
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