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We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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There's actually a group that streamed pixelated FIFA-gameplay during games with the correct streams and all. It looked good enough so that people actually watched and they got the ad revenue off it :D Also: perfectly legal, they're just streaming a video game =)

not just one group, search youtube for any interesting event that happened during a game, maybe for a reply to show your friend who was away, and there are thousands of fifa versions online with matching titles in literally seconds after it happened

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

If you lived in the UK, supported Tottenham and wanted to watch all their games in the 2021/22 season you had to: Subscribe to Sky Sports (around £50-60 a month) for the Premier League games. Subscribe to BT Sports (30 a month) for the Saturday early kick off Premier League games and the Europa Conference League games. Subscribe to Amazon Prime for the 3 random weeks when they are showing the Premier League games ins…

It's free to watch down the boozer mate.

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless, the tone of the post made me dislike Mux, whereas before I had a neutral opinion of them. I'm left wondering if they also forward these details to the copyright holders or the FBI.

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Can you rephrase that in less toxic terms?

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

#154

People pirate streams of soccer matches because it's nearly impossible to pay for legally. The matches for a single team or league are spread out amongst a ton of different streaming providers. Sometimes there is no paid option at all because of region blocking and complicated deals. I happily pay Apple for MLS matches because there was no reliable way to get them here in New Zealand. It is still stupid because Apple…

Plenty of people also pirate to avoid paying, or to pay less. I knew someone in England who ran a pirate football streaming service. He had TV and streaming subscriptions to a rented apartment in Cyprus, and streamed from there to people who paid him in England. Customers were introduced by word-of-mouth, so supposedly it was difficult for the copyright holders to discover. The same matches were shown in England, but…

It’s amazing how many Brits I know are averse to paying for anything, despite their incomes

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

#155
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The best way to encourage pirates is expecting a Canadian viewer to pay $100 or more a month to watch soccer. I don't condone it, but hypothetically, the $7 a month I pay to stream illegally is a fuck you to the leagues and their rights owners.

You pay to stream illegally, yet still somehow feel self righteous? I could understand the sentiment if you were putting in the work yourself

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

#157

There's actually a group that streamed pixelated FIFA-gameplay during games with the correct streams and all. It looked good enough so that people actually watched and they got the ad revenue off it :D Also: perfectly legal, they're just streaming a video game =)

It’s perfectly legal because it’s just dumb enough that nobody cares, though

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

#158

So, a lot of users in this thread seem to be misunderstanding what Mux is, and how the "soccer pirates" interact with their service. Let me clarify: Mux is a streaming infrastructure provider. They provide services for companies who want to stream video to their users -- news web sites, video chat services, etc. Kind of like web hosting, but specifically for video. They are not a video content provider; they do not s…

>Mux gets legal nastygrams from the content owners.

Doesn't the DMCA give several days to remove the content? At which point any stream will be long gone anyway?

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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If it's ever broadcast on normal, free-to-watch TV, anywhere in the world, it's fair game in my book to record/restream it. Change my mind.

There's a big difference between a private copy for your own enjoyment and redistributing that on a larger scale. The first one is consuming something you were not meant to consume, with little or no cost to the rights owners. The second on is giving away something that someone else had substantial costs to produce.

In my mind it's fair game to record and watch anything, if it's an unencrypted, freely available broadcast somewhere (local laws here back me up) - That includes the use of VPNs to access it. Sports broadcasters know this and make the use of VPNs quite hard, still if you get it to work, good for you. That includes other sneaky trickery like VPNing into Switzerland, where rebroadcasting other countries' FTA TV is legal, if you can receive them there (e.g. all of the UK's FTA TV) or setting up a remote controlled TV receiver in the country for you own use.

Making these streams available publicly is a different game. Depending on where you live, passing on streams privately again may be OK - for example the country I live in allows passing on recordings to a handfull of friends.

If at any time during the chain from the broadcast to you there's a need to break an encryption to make this possible: No fair game, pirate!

Re: We glued together content moderation to stop soccer pirates

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post #8

Sigh... f*ck sports leagues/governing bodies. The reason some honest people pirate streams for sporting events is because they make it so annoying to pay for them. Some examples... I live in the US. I briefly took an interest in the EPL. If I wanted to watch all EPL games (or have the option of watching any particular EPL game), I'd have to subscribe to Peacock _and_ Fubo -- and I'm still not sure that gets me all ga…

World Chase Tag has solved this by broadcasting exclusively on ESPN after a slight delay, and then uploading the matches to their own website and to YouTube for free after a slightly longer delay. But they're still in the position of growing their audience, so the free content (and full back catalogue on YouTube) is important. That marketing position might change in time.
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