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Will there be gas stations, though?
If it’s like how analog photography shops were going, no not really. Perhaps you will get specialized shops for fuel and biofuels?
Why does 500wh/kg make electric aircraft possible? 6x less than kerosene. Is that the break even on cost if you can source very cheap electricity? Seems like it would still annihilate the payload/range.
Well, they were already possible and being sold. But with relatively short but usable ranges. Those now more than double with this battery. Which makes those planes usable in a lot more scenarios. Consider the Eviation Alice, one of the 9 passenger prototype electrical planes that is currently undergoing test flights (i.e. it definitely works). The advertised range is 250nm. Not amazing. But far enough for a lot of r…
Exactly. In the EU, Eurocontrol (European Organisation for the Safety of Air Navigation) says 30.6% of flights in 2020 were 0-500km, roughly within the range of the Eviation Alice currently. A further 43.6% of flights in the EU are between 500 and 1500km.
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> You don't have to cram hundreds of people in a plane if you eliminate fuel cost as a major cost factor. That's the only reason we do that.
Not only. Gate capacity and runway capacity is an issue too. But that might also be easier to resolve with smaller electric planes. E.g. there's Liliums approach of vertical takeoff from little more than a helipad-sized platform, but even non VTOL planes capable of taking off from short runways would be helpful.
[1] https://www.eurocontrol.int/publication/eurocontrol-data-sna...
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Why is it so important for you to be able to pollute a bit more when commuting?
Why is it so important to plant goal posts where parent doesn't? Some people like to have the freedom to choose between things, it isn't about trying to be some kind of villain.
I just realized how much energy efficiency is being squeezed out of a Tesla. It's incredible. A normal diesel fueled sedan such as the Chevy Cruze diesel runs at about 31mpg, which is 13.2 km/l or 15.3 km/kg. Diesel has a mind-boggling 12700 Wh/kg energy density[1], which translates to an efficiency of ~827 Wh/km for the Chevy. By contrast, the Tesla Model S, has a ~540 kg battery[2]. At 272 Wh/kg (from the posted ar…
Regen braking will do that. I suspect it’d be a much closer competition at, say, 80mph stead state.
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Same with jet fuel on a plane. They calculate the amount to fuel carefully to be efficient but safe. Too much and the plane is heavier and uses more fuel. Too little and you might run out if put into a holding then diverted. Obviously jet fuel is what it is it wont get more dense but a more efficient engine means less fuel needed means even more efficiency and so on.
It was something I had never considered but it is wild to think about. I believe it was Vaclav Smil that highlighted it to me. On its longest trip an A380(I think?) takes off weighing 400 tons and lands weighing 200 tons. That kind of thing is just cool to ponder.
I just realized how much energy efficiency is being squeezed out of a Tesla. It's incredible. A normal diesel fueled sedan such as the Chevy Cruze diesel runs at about 31mpg, which is 13.2 km/l or 15.3 km/kg. Diesel has a mind-boggling 12700 Wh/kg energy density[1], which translates to an efficiency of ~827 Wh/km for the Chevy. By contrast, the Tesla Model S, has a ~540 kg battery[2]. At 272 Wh/kg (from the posted ar…
Regen braking will do that. I suspect it’d be a much closer competition at, say, 80mph stead state.
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The airplane would be a bit heavier at landing, though. I expect that will require a somewhat heavier landing gear. I also think taking out the weight of the tank is unfair if you don’t add weight for the structures for holding the batteries. But yes, for many smaller planes, we’re close to flying electric on shorter flights being economically feasible.
Fair points. But the point that CATL makes with this announce is that before this capacity boost, electric planes were a complete joke. Now, they are only somewhat funny. What I am more excited about is that electrically pumped rockets are now a lot more practical. As an example, Electron is such a rocket ([1]). It can now reduce the weight of the battery pack and increase payload. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ru…
Ha! Well put.
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Various theoretical energy densities of batteries and gasoline: lead acid 123 Wh/kg lithium ion 250 Wh/kg zinc-oxygen 1,084 Wh/kg sodium-oxygen 1,605 Wh/kg lithium-sulfur 2,600 Wh/kg magnesium-oxygen 6,800 Wh/kg aluminium-oxygen 8,100 Wh/kg lithium-air 11,140 Wh/kg gasoline 12,700 Wh/kg from 2022, Asad A. Naqvi et. al., Aprotic lithium air batteries with oxygen-selective membranes , Table 1, https://link.springer.com…
I wonder how close to mass production those intermediary technologies are. Bumping the energy density closer to something like lithium-sulfur would probably make 95% of ICE-based technology scrap heap tech.
[1] 2017, Yanguang Li, Jun Lu, Metal–Air Batteries: Will They Be the Future Electrochemical Energy Storage Device of Choice? https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsenergylett.7b00119 Betteridge's law of headlines answers "no", but good overview.
[2] https://formenergy.com/west-virginia-governor-jim-justice-an...
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They’re only banning sales of new EVs in the short term, and poor people don’t buy new cars anyway. By the time they are buying EVs, they’ll be much cheaper.
I doubt this. The manufacturer are pushing subscription-base model. Used electric car won't become cheap