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Post by fellellor »

AverageDude wrote: post #84
shasts wrote: post #59

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You got sources for this claim? If he has done anything wrong, why is he not in jail for that?

It’s the usual protocol of astroturfing. Accuse the whistleblower of something vague and discard them with name calling. Straight out of playbook of authoritarian governments. Nothing new. I searched the name Nupur Sharma and it gave me this article which explains everything. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241.amp It says that the fact checker shared a video of what she said.

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Re: Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete social media posts

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Post by fellellor »

commoner wrote: post #133
throwaway_9120 wrote: post #128

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If you watch the full debate, the Muslim panelists were continuously mocking Hindu Gods, Nupur got fed up and replied to them in the similar manner. What this fact checker cunningly did was to edit out the Muslim panellist mocking and simply showed her part of the clip. He has a mass following in Islamic nations and it got blown out of proportion.

Political leaders are expected to conduct themselves appropriately in public view because they are selected to represent all of their constituents. If a politician makes an appearance on live television and says something that is offensive to their constituents, they can expect political repercussions regardless of what anyone else said on the TV show. That other people in the debate compared a Shivling ( https://en.…

She should be able to say anything she wants on Islam and Muhammed. The only consequence to her should be what is in the Indian Penal Code, and ostracisation by her constituents. She doesn't deserve to be lynched by a muslim mob for that.

People like you who justify mob lynching don't belong in civilised society.

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Post by animuchan »

Curiously, the very same thing done by a US-based corpo is almost unanimously considered a must have, to the point of ostracizing people for even suggesting that the corpos should be slightly less empowered to "fact check" and delete social media posts.

If this isn't the definition of doublethink, I don't know what is.

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Post by Gud »

hackerlight wrote: post #81
demindiro wrote: post #41

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I find it fascinating that people defend censoring "misinformation" because people (supposedly) cannot discern it from "real" information. If we cannot trust the judgement of the common folk, why have a democracy at all?

> If we cannot trust the judgement of the common folk, why have a democracy at all? The fact that people are irrational is why we do not have a direct democracy. Representative democracy, and the existence of constraints in the form of constitution-type documents and term limits, are designed to limit the impact of temporal individual stupidity and crowd stupidity on global outcomes, by constraining the scope of imme…

One of the most developed countries on the planet, Switzerland, has direct democracy. Which is one of the many reasons I’ve moved there.

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Post by AverageDude »

fellellor wrote: post #151
AverageDude wrote: post #84

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It’s the usual protocol of astroturfing. Accuse the whistleblower of something vague and discard them with name calling. Straight out of playbook of authoritarian governments. Nothing new. I searched the name Nupur Sharma and it gave me this article which explains everything. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61716241.amp It says that the fact checker shared a video of what she said.

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Post by gettodachoppa »

f38zf5vdt wrote: post #12

One of the more bizarre parts of the Musk-Twitter saga has been Musk's unyielding support for censorship of tweets critical of Modi. [1] I don't really understand why someone who claims to be dedicated to free speech would ever take such a position? Does he intend for his "Everything App" to dominate South Asia rather than North America? [1] https://theintercept.com/2023/03/28/twitter-modi-india-punja...

I read your link. It says Twitter and Youtube were ordered by the government to take down links to the BBC documentary and both complied. The BBC itself is sending copyright strikes to Youtubers who upload the documentary. Even the Internet Archive took the link down when someone uploaded it there.

HN seems to have Musk Derangement Syndrome. I have never seen selective outrage aimed at someone to this degree. Everyone on this site seems to turn a blind eye or tolerate to every tech company complying with local laws in foreign countries, but then hold Musk to a much higher standard. He's not allowed to merely be an improvement over his predecessors, he must pass the highest purity tests given to a tech leader, or else he's a lying hypocrite.

Re: Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete social media posts

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Post by commoner »

fellellor wrote: post #152
commoner wrote: post #133

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Political leaders are expected to conduct themselves appropriately in public view because they are selected to represent all of their constituents. If a politician makes an appearance on live television and says something that is offensive to their constituents, they can expect political repercussions regardless of what anyone else said on the TV show. That other people in the debate compared a Shivling ( https://en.…

She should be able to say anything she wants on Islam and Muhammed. The only consequence to her should be what is in the Indian Penal Code, and ostracisation by her constituents. She doesn't deserve to be lynched by a muslim mob for that. People like you who justify mob lynching don't belong in civilised society.

Sharma made incendiary comments on live television. Zubair and many other people called her out for her comments, and in response, her political party (the BJP) expelled her from her position as national spokesperson. She was not "lynched".

When a politician chooses to make incendiary comments that are then met with anger from the public, that politician has nobody to blame but herself for the negative response.

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Post by commoner »

fellellor wrote: post #148
commoner wrote: post #116

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Alt News is much more similar to Rappler, a Filipino news website and fact checker whose founder (Maria Ressa) was awarded the 2021 Nobel Peace Prize after she was arrested and convicted by the Filipino ruling government for "cyberlibel" in retaliation for her journalism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rappler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Ressa The Peace Research Institute Oslo nominated the Alt News founders (…

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No politician is immune to criticism. Nupur Sharma made incendiary comments on live television and Mohammad Zubair has the right to quote and criticize those comments. Zubair's quotes were not "misinformation" since his video compiled Sharma's comments verbatim. If Sharma did not want to anger the public, she should not have made provocative statements in a public setting.

Sharma's comments did result in violence. The Supreme Court blamed Sharma for inciting a beheading that was carried out by extremist perpetrators:

> The Supreme Court Friday slammed suspended BJP leader Nupur Sharma, for her controversial remarks on the Prophet. While hearing the plea filed by Sharma seeking transfer of the FIRs against her to Delhi, the Supreme Court accused the leader of “igniting emotions across the country” with her “disturbing” remarks.

> “She has threat or she has become a security threat? The way she has ignited emotions across the country. This lady is single handedly responsible for what is happening in the country.” “She and her loose tongue have set the entire country on fire.”

> The Supreme Court said her outburst is responsible for the unfortunate incident at Udaipur, where a tailor was murdered.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/nupur-sharma-supreme...

As for Kajal Hindustani, it looks like her situation is being handled appropriately:

> Police have registered a first information report (FIR) against a woman activist for her alleged hate speech and detained more than 50 people on the charge of rioting following a communal clash at Una town in Gujarat’s Gir Somnath that left two persons injured, an official said on Sunday, PTI reported.

> “We have registered two FIRs. One is against Kajal Hindustani for hate speech, and another against the mob for rioting," Superintendent of Police Sripal Sheshma told reporters.

https://www.news18.com/explainers/kajal-hindustani-hate-spee...

Re: Indian government empowers itself to “fact check,” delete social media posts

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Post by commoner »

fellellor wrote: post #149
commoner wrote: post #144

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The BJP expelled Nupur Sharma from her position as the national spokesperson of the BJP because of the incendiary comments she chose to make on live television. Mohammad Zubair made a compilation of her comments and did not change any of her words. As the former Supreme Court judge Deepak Gupta said, one of the problems in this case is that the journalist Mohammad Zubair was jailed for "hurting religious sentiments"…

You lie by speaking selectively. BJP leadership was supportive of Nupur Sharma initially. Prominent Muslim figures like Nasiruddin Shah (who normally despise BJP) have come out and said that Nupur Sharma did not say anything wrong about Mohammed. BJP distanced itself from her after they got a lot of push back from friendly Middle Eastern states. BJP are a bunch of opportunist cowards themselves anyway. There is no ca…

Politicians are responsible for the statements they make. Nupur Sharma is a politician who made a statement that the public took offense to, and she had to endure the political consequences regardless of what anyone else said before or after her comments. The other panelist in the debate is not a high-ranking political figure and the public does not necessarily demand the same level of decorum from him.

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Post by fellellor »

commoner wrote: post #157
fellellor wrote: post #152

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She should be able to say anything she wants on Islam and Muhammed. The only consequence to her should be what is in the Indian Penal Code, and ostracisation by her constituents. She doesn't deserve to be lynched by a muslim mob for that. People like you who justify mob lynching don't belong in civilised society.

Sharma made incendiary comments on live television. Zubair and many other people called her out for her comments, and in response, her political party (the BJP) expelled her from her position as national spokesperson. She was not "lynched". When a politician chooses to make incendiary comments that are then met with anger from the public, that politician has nobody to blame but herself for the negative response.

Gaslighting at it's finest right here. Nupur Sharma can never live a normal life. The moment her security is removed, and whereabouts are known she will absolutely get murdered by some Muslim fanatic, just like Kamlesh Tiwari.

This is mentally sick.

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