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Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by riffraff »

ma2rten wrote: post #142
prateekdayal wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HackerStreet India has been doing ok for the last one year since launch - http://hackerstreet.in/ The objective was never to become the next Hacker News or replace it but just to have India centric discussions there. I would say Hackful has an equally good (or better) chance

I don't know. The thing is, a German person does not have a lot in common with an Irish person. They have a different culture, different media, a different language, different pop idols. If you are at some place in the Netherlands, it's more expensive to go to some other place in Belgium than to go to another place in the Netherlands, even if those are equally far away. I guess what I am trying to say is, Europe is s…

your comment reminded me of a quote from austrian diplomat Von Metternich[1] about Italy during that country's unification period: "Italy is a geographic expression" (as it was, being half a dozen independent states with different money, government systems, economic situations, costumes).

And that made me think, maybe the simile should go further: in 1800's italy different people did have newspapers (such as the one that made the above quote popular) read in more than one state to discuss about their situation and, arguably, this did play a role in the subsequemt unification[2]. We could use something like that.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klemens_von_Metternich

[2] ok, an army would be more helpful

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by shareme »

angersock wrote: post #103
kiloaper wrote: post #32

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The number one reason for me would be because lots of the things covered on HN tend to be US focused to the point that people forget anywhere else exists. I'm tired of articles praising some service provider or payment processor only to find they are US-only and may support the EU in 'the future'. I'm tired of rants about carrier practices that only affect the US as if it is universal. I'd like to see a site where th…

I'd like to see a site where there is an actual consciousness that not everyone is living in the United States of America. Well, if our lobbyists do their jobs properly, mere accidents of geography will not keep you out of the fold. :) Moreover, sorry dude, the tech war is over and we won. We've got better funding, better language, better regulations, and better spirit--and sadly, not a lot else. EDIT: (and yes, not…

dude, Bollycock on all your points

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by danmaz74 »

Udo wrote: post #43
Jd wrote: post #25

Can I ask a simple question: Why? I live in Europe, but AFAIK none of the places where I've lived/am regular even have an HN meetup. I have no idea we would want a splintered HN.

As an EU hacker myself, I'm not exactly crazy about this regional split - it feels unnecessary and artificial somehow. On the other hand, if we're going to have an alternative HN site, it will probably have to differentiate itself in some way.

For the hacking side, I don't see any reason for a split either. But for the business side, it would be very good to also have a EU community to help create a better environment here. Let's not forget that we (from the EU) can move wherever we wish in the EU to set up shop (or work), so it would be helpful to know about the opportunities, the problems etc.

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by angersock »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #143
angersock wrote: post #138

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And the US has several of its own. Hardware: MIPS, x86, SPARC, Motorola 68* (and the attendant Apple product lines [1,2,Mac, etc.]), DTMF phones (and thus modems), the transistor (though some very preliminary work was done in Canada and Germany, Bell Labs and TI brought them to manufacture), Ethernet, packet-switched networks, touch and light-pen interfaces, etc. Software: 3D graphics, functional programming (LISP et…

True, and all those lists could of course be a lot longer. My point is that what really sets the US apart is access to funding. The rest you can find in many places, and it's a lot more about individuals than nations and their wars.

Upvoted, as you do have a valid point. I also tend to agree about the influence of individuals, though one could argue that the US spending on defense is, in great part, the driving factor for the technology that got us here.

I personally think it's a bit more than funding though--for lack of a better way of putting it, the feeling of opportunity and independence is what provides a fertile ground for starting a business. We commonly have room for people arguing and making idiots of themselves, for going against the grain, for dropping out and trying to achieve great things.

There's still a sort of individualism in parts of the US that I believe makes doing business and work here great.

(honest question) Is there such great tolerance of nonconformity elsewhere? I've heard distressing things about parts of Europe and Asia in this regard (Japan, for example, apparently does not support the sort of ecosystem we do due to societal expectations of young folks). I dislike painting in broad strokes, but the topic seems to lend itself to that.

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by angersock »

DeusExMachina wrote: post #131
angersock wrote: post #103

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I'd like to see a site where there is an actual consciousness that not everyone is living in the United States of America. Well, if our lobbyists do their jobs properly, mere accidents of geography will not keep you out of the fold. :) Moreover, sorry dude, the tech war is over and we won. We've got better funding, better language, better regulations, and better spirit--and sadly, not a lot else. EDIT: (and yes, not…

This is the kind of comment for which I personally dislike the US centered mentality here on HN. To address briefly your points: war is over and we won War? I find a bit funny this mentality you have in the US to turn everything into a war (war on drugs, etc). In tech there is no war, we are all working to make the world better. One does not need to "lose" for the other one to "succeed". Moreover, the tech landscape…

I'm not inclined to disagree with you that the situation in the US is far from ideal in a lot of regards, but my personal experience (started a company [tanked] at 19, just closed accounts with my state and did tax paperwork, no repercussions, about to try again) tells me that regulations here are only somewhat of a burden, and the really bad ones are seen across the world soon enough to prevent us being disadvantaged. US copyright and patent law, SOPA, etc. could be disasterous for us--but via things like ACTA and the like, you can bet your ass we'll drag you down with us. :)

As for the funding and language--proclaiming that you too use US venture capital and the English language really is more a testament to American soft power than anything else.

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by angersock »

toyg wrote: post #149
angersock wrote: post #119

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I would be curious to know which service that is, and what boxen they run, and what company made those boxen. In hindsight I realize that probably just opened the door to a pissing match over whose contributions to software/computing/startup culture is greater, but I think that would be an interesting conversation to have here. EDIT: To get the ball rolling, we've got Matsumoto : Ruby : Japan Ericsson: Erlang : Swede…

Better: Electricity | Gilbert/Galvani/Volta | Europe Telephone | whoever you believe this week | Europe + USA Computers | VonNeumann / Turing working in USA | Europe + USA Internet | DARPA | USA Web | CERN | Europe Game, set... and match. (it's all a joke, of course. Just be a sport, will you?)

( of course, my good sir or madam! :)

clearly the best things--modern internet for example--are the result of collaboration without regard to nation of origin )

Well, to be fair, let us also count things the US did wrong:

C++ | Bell Labs | USA

XML | IBM | USA

UML | IBM | USA

SOAP | Microsoft | USA

IE6 | Microsoft | USA

GPL | Stallman | USA

Visual Basic | Microsoft | USA

gcc | Stallman | USA

CORBA | Object Management Group | USA

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by qw »

angersock wrote: post #138
fauigerzigerk wrote: post #130

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Moreover, sorry dude, the tech war is over and we won In monetary terms that is probably true, if by "tech" you mean IT. But the losers of your "war" have invented things like the Web, Linux, Python, Ruby, PHP, MySQL, English and the ARM CPU, not to speak of most math and logic foundations of today's tech industry. The only item on your list that I wholeheartedly agree with is "better funding". Everything else is, um…

And the US has several of its own. Hardware: MIPS, x86, SPARC, Motorola 68* (and the attendant Apple product lines [1,2,Mac, etc.]), DTMF phones (and thus modems), the transistor (though some very preliminary work was done in Canada and Germany, Bell Labs and TI brought them to manufacture), Ethernet, packet-switched networks, touch and light-pen interfaces, etc. Software: 3D graphics, functional programming (LISP et…

A correction to your list. C++ was created by Bjarne Stoustrup who is Danish.

He was inspired by Simula - the world's first object oriented programming language (created by two Norwegians). It introduced objects, classes, subclasses, virtual methods, coroutines,discrete event simulation and featured garbage collection.

This attitude of how everything that is great has come from USA is one of the reasons why some feel the need to add other news sources to their RSS reader.

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by prateekdayal »

aiscott wrote: post #147
prateekdayal wrote: post #137

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Are you guys planning to open source the code so other communities can use it? Or a hosted (even if paid) service?

The about page mentions that they are going to put the code on github. http://hackful.com/about I didn't see a link to the about page on their front page, but it exists none-the-less.

Found it in one of the threads here - https://github.com/8bitpal/hackful
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