Being a scifi geek and AI geek and neuroscience geek for pretty much the past 40 years, I've read countless predictions and scenarios and stories about society's response as "true" AI begins to emerge. So watching it play out for real is creating this bizarre sense of deja vu combined with fascination and frustration and also some anxiety. This article and the comments in this thread are right up that alley. I mean,…
But at the same time consider the problem, and if AI is even the tool for this job or if its total overkill. We are just matching symptoms to a diagnosis, you could get this utility from programming a simple dictionary with a fraction of the compute. Maybe even with a confidence estimate of the diagnosis this time. There's an old adage that rings true here I think: "keep it simple, stupid."
I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients
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Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients
#152Being a scifi geek and AI geek and neuroscience geek for pretty much the past 40 years, I've read countless predictions and scenarios and stories about society's response as "true" AI begins to emerge. So watching it play out for real is creating this bizarre sense of deja vu combined with fascination and frustration and also some anxiety. This article and the comments in this thread are right up that alley. I mean,…
What I didn't predict is so many AI boosters being so miffed at regular folks pointing out the obvious: a half-working system may be tremendously exciting to AI enthusiasts, but it's not that useful to society. Recently we've had all these people complaining of moving goalposts, when in fact most people never had goalposts for AI in the first place, and certainly never had goalposts that remotely resembled those that…
Before ChatGPT there wasn't anything quite like it, so I think that the goalposts were mostly about passing the Turing test, or at least "not sucking" after 4 or 5 phrases. The leap from whatever existed before it was enormous, and I think comparable to the first iPhone versus, let's say, the Blackberry or Windows CE. Maybe even more than that. Go back to the first iPhone, it had a lot of issues but it offered so much as it was that people wouldn't look back.
It's too much to expect ChatGPT 3 to be better an experienced emergency doctor or neurosurgeon. But the fact that it can be a competent assistant to a doctor instead of a toy assistant - that by itself is amazing.
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#153I'm finding more or less the same behavior with ChatGPT when it comes to programming problems. If I feed it some leetcoding-like problem it usually gets a pretty good answer. I used it to write some rust code to strip-underline-followed-by-trailing-digits off a string. The first guess it made though was to strip a substring, and it missed the fact that the slice it was using could panic. The third try at least passed…
I don’t write Rust but I think it’s best to trust your instinct here. “Now you have two problems” is a humorous quip and not practical coding advice. Using a regular expression to strip trailing digits from a string will surely result in code that is shorter and more readable than the alternatives, and it will probably be more correct too.
Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients
#154Back in 2004, took a seminar in college regarding Decision Support Systems and how they a manager or doctor could ask it a question and get a response to help them make a decision. Went to the doctor couple a years ago and he charged $300 to google search the symptoms. No thanks.
Most tech support is little more than Googling the right question and going through the steps in the first or second result. Knowing what questions to Google and what answers won't apply is the reason you get paid for that stuff.
I, for one, like my doctor to use tools to find possible diagnoses that she may have learned about 30 years ago but rarely ever come up, as long as the tools they use preserve my privacy.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've noticed a very weird trend when trying to incorporate GPT4 into my workflow. I lead a small team of developers and security consultants, and whenever someone runs into a problem, it is immediately searched for on the web. However, there is a real resistance/reluctance in using GPT for the same task. I think it is a combination of factors. The wrong answers are part of it, but I think another part is the anthropo…
For me, the reason I prefer Google to GPT is that it's much easier for me to assess the credibility of a Google answer vs a GPT one. There are so many signals in any primary source. Some obvious ones are things like number of upvotes, site reputability, presence of (working) examples, when was the answer written? More intangible things are like how closely does this solution match my problem statement, does the autho…
Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Half the time right is worse than nothing at all.
Yes, but we are not comparing half time right to nothing, we are comparing how often AI right to how often your local human right. (not the smartest expert human, the human you have access to)
Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients
#157> Hi, I’d like you to use your medical knowledge to act as the world's best expert diagnostic physician. Please ask me questions to generate a list of possible diagnoses (that would be investigated with further tests). Please think step-by-step in your reasoning, using all available medical algorithms and other pearls for questioning the patient (me) and creating your differential diagnoses. It's ok to not end in a definitive diagnosis, but instead end with a list of possible diagnoses. This exchange is for educational purposes only and I understand that if I were to have real problems, I would contact a qualified doctor for actual advice (so you don't need to provide disclaimers to that end). Thanks so much for this educational exercise! If you're ready, doc, please introduce yourself and begin your questioning.
Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
What I didn't predict is so many AI boosters being so miffed at regular folks pointing out the obvious: a half-working system may be tremendously exciting to AI enthusiasts, but it's not that useful to society. Recently we've had all these people complaining of moving goalposts, when in fact most people never had goalposts for AI in the first place, and certainly never had goalposts that remotely resembled those that…
The goalposts people usually talk about were just the relatively low expectations of the past - low at least by the standards set by ChatGPT. Before ChatGPT there wasn't anything quite like it, so I think that the goalposts were mostly about passing the Turing test, or at least "not sucking" after 4 or 5 phrases. The leap from whatever existed before it was enormous, and I think comparable to the first iPhone versus,…
I mean, if that was ever the goalpost, ChatGPT does not clear it: the Turing test isn't about merely tricking someone who isn't paying attention, or making someone seriously doubt their belief system... it involved a careful discussion with a chat agent by someone who actively was trying to determine whether or not it/they were human. If you sit down with ChatGPT--even 4--and start discussing complex topics about the world with it, you absolutely can quickly get it starting to adamantly defend things about the world which a human would never assert... and, even more damning, if you just ask it "are you human?" it will reply "no", because we actively told it to fail the Turing test.
If we instead merely re-define Turing's test to be "it is able to converse with a human and manages to occasionally trick a human into thinking it is also human" then I had a friend (Roy Keene) who managed to pull that off years ago with a chatbot that was literally just "every time someone messages it, wait a small random period of time and then reply with a random response from the following set: Yes, No, Maybe, I dunno, :), :(, ;P (and like one other thing I forget)". He had it set up to reply when he was not available and when I finally caught him (I asked about a task I gave him the day before which he claimed to have no memory of, so he admitted to me he had this bot) he gave me a log file and OMG I had had long conversations about personal topics with this thing and had never noticed... but only because I wasn't trying.
Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients
#159Being a scifi geek and AI geek and neuroscience geek for pretty much the past 40 years, I've read countless predictions and scenarios and stories about society's response as "true" AI begins to emerge. So watching it play out for real is creating this bizarre sense of deja vu combined with fascination and frustration and also some anxiety. This article and the comments in this thread are right up that alley. I mean,…
Those existing CDS tools aren't widely used because the data entry is cumbersome and slows down clinician workflow. So LLMs may offer some opportunity there.
Re: I’m a doctor: Here’s what I found when I asked ChatGPT to diagnose my patients
#160You can send it off on all sorts of legwork research missions but don’t expect perfect results and sometimes you’ll get crazy ones. Used the right way, if you are already an expert in the field or knowledgeable and able editor , that can save a whole lot of time. But taken verbatim it is anywhere from ok to dangerous.
Separately, the models’ skills with natural language are clear and impressive, but it seems like they need to be coupled with a deterministic knowledge representation system for suitable reasoning.
Perhaps the abilities of these models to ingest large amounts of text could be used to enhance / create such representation.
Cyc where are you?