Live data from Hacker News

Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

nato.int

151–160 of 521 posts

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

#151
post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

> last-minute coercive expedition into full-blown war Putin said he will not invade. But he did. Does not matter how you are trying to turn this around. He did invaded and he did lied about it.

NATO mind control rays forced him to shoot himself in the foot.

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

#152
post #47

[flagged]

>BRICS surpassed the G7 in terms of GDP Maybe. Its hard to be sure when autocratic countries lie about their economic data. edit: for those two with their "everybody lies and are awful" argument (one of the oldest and most beloved Russian tactics whataboutism). You will properly not get it if you don't already understand it - but issues with accuracy has nothing to with doctoring all your numbers to keep the gravy tr…

What makes you so sure G7 countries are 100% honest?

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

#153
post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've been trying for ~13months already and haven't done so, why do you think they could do it now? Especially after losing 150,000+ soldiers (dead and/or wounded), and thousands of tanks and other armored vehicles? They've lost tens of thousands of troops and dozens/hundreds of vehicles just trying to take one town since August (Bakhmut).

Fog of war. You can't know what is happening. The only numbers I believe is the additional cost in $ and € the western taxpayer is burdened with. Because that is guaranteed.

Time to look up some other numbers, like 9970 photo documented destroyed and captured pieces of russian equipment.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum...

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

#154

The comments are pretty hard to read here given that any comment not cheering this on is immediately downvoted to death. Many are legitimate comments - I see why some might disagree with them but it’s not even possible to learn from them if they are silenced.

>Many are legitimate comments

No they are not. Almost all[0] are the classic Russo-apologist talking points.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almost_all

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

#155

Finland got de-Finlandized at last. Which is what the expansion of NATO was always about. NATO isn't a threat to Russia itself - if Russia seriously feared NATO aggression, it wouldn't voluntarily demilitarize its NATO borders during the past 13 months. NATO expansion just neutralizes Russian ability to force its will upon its neighbors through threat of aggression (or in case like Ukraine through the use of aggressi…

[flagged]

If the US invaded Canada and Mexico looked to Russia for support in case they're next, I certainly wouldn't blame them.

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

#156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is irrelevant to what I wrote. And the decision wasn’t made on a whim, it was made because the opportunity had arisen. Popular support was secondary. Not like they held a plebiscite or called an election over the matter.

They're literally (edit: just had their) elections on Sunday. If the polling is wrong and some significant portion of Finns oppose NATO membership, I'm sure they made themselves known. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/1/finland-having-clear... > A poll by the broadcasting company YLE in May showed that 76 percent of Finns were in favour of joining NATO.

The election was this Sunday. The winning party NCP has been pro NATO for 20+ years, unlike the previously ruling SDP.

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

#157
As a Swede this makes me happy, partially because Finland shares a lot of their border with Russia and can now feel safe knowing they have the might of 30 nations behind them, but also because we're now surrounded by NATO countries. So no need for us to join, right? Right?!

Let's remain neutral and a free haven for political dissidents and potential refugees of the future, right?!!

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

#158

Finland got de-Finlandized at last. Which is what the expansion of NATO was always about. NATO isn't a threat to Russia itself - if Russia seriously feared NATO aggression, it wouldn't voluntarily demilitarize its NATO borders during the past 13 months. NATO expansion just neutralizes Russian ability to force its will upon its neighbors through threat of aggression (or in case like Ukraine through the use of aggressi…

[flagged]

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

#159
post #47

[flagged]

>BRICS surpassed the G7 in terms of GDP Maybe. Its hard to be sure when autocratic countries lie about their economic data. edit: for those two with their "everybody lies and are awful" argument (one of the oldest and most beloved Russian tactics whataboutism). You will properly not get it if you don't already understand it - but issues with accuracy has nothing to with doctoring all your numbers to keep the gravy tr…

Everybody lies.

US Inflation data is famously understated, and the number of methodology changes we've had in the last year should alarm everyone. We actually saw disinflation in healthcare insurance costs at one point last year, after one particularly criminal adjustment in the calculation by the BLS caused the lowest negative print in decades.

The EIA reports since Biden have also been a disaster, to the point where they are "vowing" to work on the accuracy[1]. I highlight this one in particular because of Biden's catastrophic mishandling of the Saudis and the de-facto war on oil his administration is leading.

---

[1] https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-EIA-Vows-To-I...

Re: Finland becomes the 31st member of NATO

#160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

More just that he wouldn't be so stupid. People just listed all the reasons it was a dumb, short-sighted idea. Which, turns out they were right, except about how stupid Russian leadership was. They seem to have honestly believed it would be a three day war, that Ukrainians were going to welcome them as liberators, and that they actually had all the equipment that they did on paper.

The “three day war” and the other stuff have always been American talking points that have been regurgitated uncritcally a million times. Yeah, people in the West have been sold the idea that Ukraine is winning (talking about the real Ukrainian losses (not the fantasy numbers you sometimes hear) is strictly forbidded tho), I noticed. Let’s wait till it’s over I say...
Post reply on HN