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Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Yeah, it was shocking here in Stockholm when there were BLM protests in 2020. It's like people are more involved in US politics than their national politics.

Maybe racism isn't just a US thing

I'm amazed this is being downvoted. Do people really think that racism only exists in America?

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

#152

The current Italian government has introduced the "ministry of industry and made in Italy". That's what's it called, made in Italy , in English in the official name. I guess they're going to fine themselves.

"Fatto in Italia" would be just as good, but might not be as widely understood by non-Italian speakers.

Who cares? This is a form of protectionism aimed to national consumers.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

#153
post #95

On the one hand: If your culture needs a preservation movement, it's not a culture, but a relic. Culture is defined by people, not some sacred thing that needs to be preserved. How much of the Italian cuisine they're trying to protect would exist if they had the same attitude in the 1500s, when the tomato was introduced to Italy? On the other hand: I think countries should resist global cultural homogenisation. No of…

This is coming from an increasingly right wing, nationalist, Italian government. This is the type of government that will disqualify a person or way of thinking just because of where it comes from, and this type of xenophobia is kinda dangerous. Plus, the emphasis on "correct use of the Italian language and its pronunciation" also seems to discriminate against people who speak southern dialects.

After all, Tu vuò fà l'americano is merely satire. https://youtu.be/BqlJwMFtMCs

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

#154

Good. Americans are usually not aware of the extent of american cultural imperialism which is basically everywhere, not just in Europe but you can see it very strong here I'm not saying it's bad or good. But I wish we have less Hollywood, less Netflix, less american music, less american videogames, less imported american culture topics etc when actual local music, movies, books, games exist.

In South America, thanks to Netflix we have far more European content than before. Still less than from US but at least it's there to chose.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

#155
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I'd vehemently disagree. There's a clear cultural divide between the average of the US and the average of Europe on many topics, albeit much of that is a cause of the large quantity of remaining traditionalists in the US skewing the American average. For example there's clear differences on secularism, gun-rights, access to abortion, universal healthcare, labour laws, privacy and regulation. > The silent death of eur…

There's no 'average european culture' as inter-european differences are bigger than US-europe divide. The US is basically our common cultural base now. > secularism, gun-rights, access to abortion, universal healthcare, labour laws, privacy and regulation At least 4 of those issues are american , not european. this just goes to show how much attention europeans pay to the US issues instead of our own issues (aging of…

> The US is basically our common cultural base now

This is wishful thinking. People pay a lot of attention to the US due to its cultural output and importance in geo-politics but when they open the door they still pay attention to their own locality which has its own context.

> At least 4 of those issues are american , not european.

I'm sorry, how are those issues not European? Do you think Europeans aren't human or something? They're social issues and its harmful to think the US has any sort of monopoly on them. I could easily pull concrete examples where those issues are relevant to European events that I might suggest you are unaware of.

> While these are interesting issues, they are nowhere near the top of the mind of average european.

I would argue that for an average European elector, privacy is a much greater expectation than it is for an American.

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Good. Americans are usually not aware of the extent of american cultural imperialism which is basically everywhere, not just in Europe but you can see it very strong here I'm not saying it's bad or good. But I wish we have less Hollywood, less Netflix, less american music, less american videogames, less imported american culture topics etc when actual local music, movies, books, games exist.

> Americans are usually not aware of the extent of american cultural imperialism

Which of the 35 American countries are you referring to? ;)

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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Italians lose wars as if they were football matches, and football matches as if they were wars - Winston Churchill

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Churchill suggested that chemical weapons should be used “against recalcitrant Arabs as an experiment.” He added “I am strongly in favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes to spread a lively terror” in Iraq.

https://english.alarabiya.net/special-reports/winston-church...

Re: Italian government seeks to penalize the use of English words

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I'd vehemently disagree. There's a clear cultural divide between the average of the US and the average of Europe on many topics, albeit much of that is a cause of the large quantity of remaining traditionalists in the US skewing the American average. For example there's clear differences on secularism, gun-rights, access to abortion, universal healthcare, labour laws, privacy and regulation. > The silent death of eur…

When I go back to France I see burgers sold everywhere and massively more English words, both compared to 20 years ago. French culture has very noticeably diluted in that relatively short time.

Use of language does not necessarily result in entirely changing the culture. Take South East Asia for example where they simply have their own spin on the English language. I fear that what the Anglosphere sees in this case is what it wants to see, its own victory, where in practice the actual outcome is more complex and doesn't necessarily result (in the long term) to the expectation.

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I'd vehemently disagree. There's a clear cultural divide between the average of the US and the average of Europe on many topics, albeit much of that is a cause of the large quantity of remaining traditionalists in the US skewing the American average. For example there's clear differences on secularism, gun-rights, access to abortion, universal healthcare, labour laws, privacy and regulation. > The silent death of eur…

"between the average of the US and the average of Europe" I'm not sure how one even defines these. As an example, most of the examples you give have a near 50/50 (+/-10%) split here in the US.

> most of the examples you give have a near 50/50 (+/-10%) split here in the US.

That's what I mean. Many of those issues don't have anywhere near a 50/50 split in Europe, which is part of the definition of social norms, expectations and cultural values.

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