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GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by grepfru_it »

nozzlegear wrote: post #148
grepfru_it wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

your 2023 chevy bolt euv is already streaming all of your driving parameters to GM via onstar. the "help" they are referring to is offloading the transmission of these parameters to your wireless device vs their built-in wireless device ($$$)

> your 2023 chevy bolt euv is already streaming all of your driving parameters to GM via onstar. Is it? I’ve already turned off the Chevrolet Smart Driver or whatever it’s called, I know about that one sending data back to GM. And I canceled OnStar as soon as I purchased the vehicle, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn if it’s still siphoning data anyway. Still, the situation would get worse for me because at least…

yes it is, i am intimately aware of that project :) onstar is always connected to the car, you cannot disable it.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by stathibus »

rblatz wrote: post #143
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us," Kummer said. GM Chief Executive Mary Barra is aiming for $20 billion to $25 billion in annual revenue from subscriptions by 2030.”

Ah yes pissing off your customers because you think they’ll not just accept a worse experience, they’ll actually pay more for it. It’s a bold strategy.

When was the last time GM was seen as a good car company?

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by bratsche »

browningstreet wrote: post #9
bdcravens wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the only reason, but was definitely one reason that contributed to the decision to cancel my Model 3 order and go with a Kia EV6 instead.

I said my next car would have to have CarPlay but the Tesla software in my Y is good enough to live without it. I rent a lot of cars with CarPlay, and like it, but now that the Tesla software supports both Apple Music and Spotify, I’m good. That said, I wouldn’t buy a car that supported Google Carwhatever but not Apple CarPlay.

I have a Model 3 right now and like it well enough I guess, but I think next time I get a car my ideal is to get a non-Tesla EV that has CarPlay. My hope was that Tesla has pushed the industry enough to start making competitive EVs so that I don't have to get another Tesla. And I think I would prefer using CarPlay. I've used it a couple times in rental cars and really liked it. The screens are smaller and less nice than Tesla's, but the navigation on Tesla kind of sucks compared to Apple and Google and I think that's more valuable to me.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by nashashmi »

Everyone here is pessimistic about the experience. And they have a right to be. Car manufacturers are not good at consumer software. They are only good at moving buttons here and there. And the innovators behind what the buttons do have always been a different company.

But look at the positive end: having a bland one screen for interfacing with your phone is ridiculous. And car manufacturers want to move those "buttons" around that interface with your phone. Like something that integrates with maps. And the podcast and radio. And the messaging and calling. Something that can move the map display to right above the steering wheel. Something that can move the messaging and video to windshield. And something that can let me switch sources for podcast and radio.

I don't think they will be able to pull it off. But I do hope they try.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by nashashmi »

kiawe_fire wrote: post #150

Well this sucks. I bought a Chevy Blazer last year, and it’s the best car I’ve ever owned. Great balance of design, gas mileage, comfort, etc. I was definitely planning to make my next car the EV version of this. Part of that package is flawless CarPlay integration. It’s simplified the music and navigation experience more than I ever thought possible. The only reason I wouldn’t demand it on my next car is if somethin…

I think the data collection part is a surmise from the author.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by mikestew »

DeRock wrote: post #98
midnitewarrior wrote: post #74

This sounds like GM is committing brand suicide by actively making itself unappealing to Gen Z. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/01/06/gen-z-survey-says... I love Android, but I also know how to read.

It's not just Gen Z, 79% of all US car buyers would only buy a car with CarPlay: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro... GM will absolutely lose this battle. Idiotic move.

GM will absolutely lose this battle.

They will, but not by standing firm. No, first will come the backlash, then GM will "listen to its customers" and backtrack on this.

The problem is, I've already as of this morning stopped listening to GM. I sent the link to my wife, and now we're planning which Hyundai/Kia dealer to go to first to look at Ioniq 5s and $(whatever the equivalent Kia is called). Doug in Edmonds says he has 65 of the l'il buggers. We might just drive one home this weekend, at which point GM has not only lost a sale but further convinced me to stay away from GM.

Did I mention that my father worked for GM all his career, and already pre-ordered an EV Blazer, which we said we'd take if he didn't want it at delivery? Yeah, I need to send Dad quick email about that...

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by bratsche »

bb123 wrote: post #35
bdcravens wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the only reason, but was definitely one reason that contributed to the decision to cancel my Model 3 order and go with a Kia EV6 instead.

The Model 3’s system is one of the few out there that can actually compete with/replace CarPlay.

Model 3's system is better than other cars I've owned, but not as good as what I think CarPlay can be. The only advantage of my Model 3 vs the rental cars I've used with CarPlay was that Model 3's screen is bigger and nicer and so the maps look nicer and I can have music info/controls on screen at the same time as maps. But both Apple and Google navigation is a lot better than Tesla's navigation. I also use Apple Music and was initially excited about getting integration into Tesla, but I continue to just use it through my phone instead so it ended up not mattering. The one thing I hate about Tesla's system is the semi-frequent UI changes. A moving car with a touch screen is not the place where I want to have to re-learn some aspect of a UI after I get a system update.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by mint2 »

rblatz wrote: post #143
TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us," Kummer said. GM Chief Executive Mary Barra is aiming for $20 billion to $25 billion in annual revenue from subscriptions by 2030.”

Ah yes pissing off your customers because you think they’ll not just accept a worse experience, they’ll actually pay more for it. It’s a bold strategy.

GM is chasing the United airlines and Ryan air business model.

United expects customers to be grateful if they get involuntarily rescheduled to arrive a day and a half after the original arrival time, with not so much as a free snack ticket to compensate e even when the flight delay is of their causing, not weather, that made the original connection impossible.

Re: GM plans to phase out Apple CarPlay in EVs, with Google's help

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Post by gwbas1c »

> We do believe there are subscription revenue opportunities for us ... aiming for $20 billion to $25

I really, really do not want a subscription. My Teslas' subscription appears to be at cost; I doubt Tesla is making billions off of subscription fees for maps.

But, even though Tesla's infotainment system is a lot more slick than Android Auto, I must admit that at times I'd rather use that. I still use Youtube Music, which my Teslas do not have an app for. I haven't switched to Spotify because I don't want another subscription.

(I also think there is a way to share my phone's internet with the car and avoid the subscription, but I suspect the increased data could cost almost as much as the car's subscription anyway.)

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