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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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What's the battery life going to be for this one?

My biggest issue by far with the Framework 13 is that the battery life is really bad (at least with linux). Less than 2 hours of normal use is not really workable. Will this one do better?

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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One of my favorite things for keyboards is the ThinkPad feature where the Page Up and Page Down is above the Left and Right key. I don't understand why others don't do this, its so practical. Specially in cases like this, there is just an empty space there. Why not put 2 more keys? ThinkPad also makes them full sized keys, that would be even better. But just having empty space? Why?

Because it's easier to touch empty space and adjust fingers. Back when I worked on Thinkpad, I really hated these keys, whenever I accidentally pressed them. I don't say you're wrong, just it's a matter of taste. It's the same with mechanical keyboards - I can't use these compact 75% keyboards where arrows/Pg Up/Pg Down/Home/End are flush with other keys; but a bit "exploded" layout, with just a bit of space between…

Spacing is heavily underrated in current laptop keyboard design. Consider another part of the keyboard: the function key row. On traditional keyboards, it was grouped with gaps between the groups: Esc, F1–F4, F5–F8, F9–F12. (Laptop keyboards will commonly have an extra key or two at the right end, such as Delete and Insert, which historically were part of other clusters.) This grouping is excellent for spatial memory, whether visual or blind. If anything, it’s more valuable than it used to be, with the other functionality of the keys (e.g. brightness and volume adjustments). But somewhere along the way, this gap has been removed from most laptops, in favour of an unproductive uniformity.

(I have an ASUS ROG Zephyrus G15, 2021 model, GA503QM. It has a larger-than-necessary gap between Esc and F1, slightly-smaller-than-ideal gaps between F4 and F5 and F8 and F9, and sadly no gap between F12 and Delete. It also has another row of four keys higher still: XF86AudioRaiseVolume, XF86AudioLowerVolume, XF86AudioMicMute and XF86Launch1. Kinda funny how XF86AudioMute is relegated to Fn+F1. I’m really not looking forward to whenever I switch to a laptop without a dedicated mic mute button, it’s wonderful. I honestly wish they’d added another couple of buttons on this top row.)

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Playing with configurator what surprise me is that a Windows 11 Pro licence cost 259 Euro. Micro$oft still make a lot of money with windonws =)

You want to look at the DIY options (it's not terribly hard to install the RAM and storage), for no Windows tax.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

#154
It's a pity the keyboard design never seriously improves even for the niche laptops.

Like, the space to the sides is useless here, but if you could split the keyboard and move that space to to the middle - well, know you've moved one step closer towards more ergonomic typing! Or better yet, you could move all those pinky keys there so that instead of moving your right pinky to hit backspace you'd just move your right index finger

The huge space is also a waste

etc., etc.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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for the 16": - I would love an option to have upwards firing speakers where flex/numpad space goes instead (one on each side). - please improve the bass in the speakers. according to notebookcheck's review, framework speakers have poor/near 0 bass output. - please offer either a 1080p or 4k screen option on the 16". 1440p-ish screens with DPI scaling hackery is no fun and often leads to blurry UIs.

> DPI scaling hackery Under X11 with KDE, or under Windows, that's no problem whatsoever. 144dpi isn't any more hacky than 96dpi or 192dpi. It's only macOS, Gnome and Wayland that require 1x or 2x scaling (which is absolutely mind-bogglingly ridiculous, and anyone that contributed to that or encouraged that should be banned from ever touching UI code again).

Fractional scaling on Linux is still hit or miss in my experience. I played with several permutations of Wayland/X11/GNOME (with fractional enabled)/KDE and none got it 100% right, and even under the setup that got closest some programs acted confused.

It’s certainly not as painless as fractional scaling on Windows, where only truly ancient/esoteric programs pose issues typically.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Modular keyboard and QMK! It's a niche within a niche but would absolutely love an ortholinear option to the keyboard e.g. https://deskthority.net/wiki/Planck Though would like this on a smaller laptop, 14-ish inches seem to be the sweet spot.

This would be my perfect machine. Over the past few years I've gone deep down the keyboard rabbit hole. Given it's a device I spend a large proportion of my waking hours in contact with it's a good point to optimise (or at least experiment with) to be honest.

I currently use an iPad and Atreus, but having this in clamshell form would be pure utopia.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it far more frustrating the shift to half-sized arrow keys - when the space is also clearly already there. The r-shift key could be chopped up, or removed entirely, to accommodate a full-sized up-arrow.

For some (myself) the right shift key is the main shift key; so doing away with it would be terrible. Typically holding it down with the right pinky while typing full speed ahead, as well as single movement stroke patterns for {}?"+_ and so on, so heavy on all caps C snake case type use (if that makes sense.)

I also use the right shift a lot (though it's not my "main" one) and would hate to see it go away.

But there's no reason for it to be so freaking huge! On the two keyboards I have on my desk (HP EliteBook laptop and a "normal layout" desktop keyboard) the right shift is the second-biggest key after the space bar!

My favorite layout, by far, has to be the "75%" some mechanical keyboards have, like this: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0059/0630/1017/t/5/assets/...

Sure, this particular one is not perfect (useless dedicated light button on the top right...) by the idea is there.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #154

It's a pity the keyboard design never seriously improves even for the niche laptops. Like, the space to the sides is useless here, but if you could split the keyboard and move that space to to the middle - well, know you've moved one step closer towards more ergonomic typing! Or better yet, you could move all those pinky keys there so that instead of moving your right pinky to hit backspace you'd just move your right…

You might finally get your wish. This laptop is the first laptop designed to allow the keyboard to be upgraded, with fully open specifications.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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post #154

It's a pity the keyboard design never seriously improves even for the niche laptops. Like, the space to the sides is useless here, but if you could split the keyboard and move that space to to the middle - well, know you've moved one step closer towards more ergonomic typing! Or better yet, you could move all those pinky keys there so that instead of moving your right pinky to hit backspace you'd just move your right…

I don't know if the standard keyboard they ship with will change, but the flexible layout here does open a lot of space for keyboard experimentation and alternative options in future. The Framework CEO says there are already prototypes of an alternative ortholinear keyboard option (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35280168) and split keyboard like you describe is totally possible here too (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35283252)
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