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Why northern Europe is so indebted (2021)

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Re: Why northern Europe is so indebted (2021)

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In your system, courts and law are not part of the government?

No? Government is the people currently elected. Nothing to do with courts. And law was decided by previous governments. Giving money to the current/future government to create new law which you like is called lobbying, or bribing (whatever floats your boat).

Taxes don't only pay for what you have defined as "government". They pay for everything the state does, including courts and enforcement of laws.

Re: Why northern Europe is so indebted (2021)

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Yeah, but they don’t benefit from public health services, since they can pay for a private insurance with a higher quality of services. They don’t benefit from social benefits, since they have much more efficient ways of making money. They don’t benefit from public schools personally, since they can send their children to private schools. So if I were to go with the reasoning that people should pay for received servi…

Those things are nice, but the benefits are a rounding error compared to the benefit that the rich get from government enforcing the existence of property rights.

Those are enforced by courts and police. So you may end up with well-funded police and courts, but defunded public health services, public education and social benefits.

Re: Why northern Europe is so indebted (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No? Government is the people currently elected. Nothing to do with courts. And law was decided by previous governments. Giving money to the current/future government to create new law which you like is called lobbying, or bribing (whatever floats your boat).

Taxes don't only pay for what you have defined as "government". They pay for everything the state does, including courts and enforcement of laws.

Yes, but if you demand that everyone pays proportionally to the benefit they get, then the threat of moving capital to another country has an outsize influence on politics within the country. So the rich get even more say about how taxes are spent than they normally do, by literally voting with their wallets. And thus state’s spending is optimised to protect the interests of the rich with little regard for the poor.
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