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Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Post by chopin »

burnished wrote: post #82
LeanderK wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 16 dead kids of course every preventable death is too much and we should be aiming at zero...but 16 doesn't seem that much? I would have guessed more for sure.

It does seem a little hypocritical to follow up 'should aim for zero children dead from being ran over by vehicles' with 'but 16 is fine'

If we aim for zero (no matter what) society grinds to screeching halt. Not even considering constitutional aspects.

Especially the Western societies should get back to a healthy risk perception. In my opinion (I live in Germany) we've gone overboard.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Post by wnevets »

yesenadam wrote: post #140
wnevets wrote: post #48

Is anyone else like me and just sick & tired of the boomerification of the public discourse? There isn't anything more wrong with kids these days compared to previous generations. Participation trophies didn't matter, foam playgrounds didn't create "soft" kids. Its all non-sense. "What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the str…

That's not a real Plato quote. Quote Investigator couldn't find any appearance of it before 1967. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/12/13/riot/ p.s. What I'm sick and tired already of is the word "boomerification", and that's the first time I've seen it.

> p.s. What I'm sick and tired already of is the word "boomerification", and that's the first time I've seen it.

Ok boomer.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Post by wnevets »

magicalhippo wrote: post #142
wnevets wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> good playgrounds help kids develop motor skills. Once again, your link doesn't show that. Your link only claims physical play is important, it doesn't mention the type of playgrounds. Yes we all agree a sedentary lifestyle is bad for kids and adults. If you can't provide a scientific source for your claim that the type ("safe" vs dangerous) of playgrounds matter then just say that.

From the article I linked: Several programs emphasize the selection of certain types of motor play equipment, based on previous observational studies of children’s outdoor play (Martin, 2000; McCall & Craft, 2004). These authors argue that equipment should be chosen to carry out specific activities that meet motor learning goals. Too often, they suggest, movement activities are planned around expensive pieces of play…

You realize this study's definition of risky play includes riding a bike and playing with sticks, right?

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Post by amai »

Especially in Berlin people add dog shit, cigarette butts and broken glass bottles to the playground to increase the risks for kids. I‘m usually against video surveillance, but I believe it is unfortunately necessary to have video cameras on playgrounds, because without punishment some idiots simply don’t stop their destructive behavior.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Post by burnished »

LeanderK wrote: post #148
burnished wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does seem a little hypocritical to follow up 'should aim for zero children dead from being ran over by vehicles' with 'but 16 is fine'

I don't think so. I would have said the same about other statistics. In the end it defies my intuition, which is interesting given that the possibility of getting run over is pretty present in every day life of many children. You have to keep in mind that zero is pretty much impossible because the risk is present all long as we drive, so we should aim for zero but won't get to zero.

Then we are not actually aiming for zero. I don't think it is wise to engage in such blatant sophistry when discussing public policy.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Post by yesenadam »

wnevets wrote: post #152
yesenadam wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a real Plato quote. Quote Investigator couldn't find any appearance of it before 1967. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/12/13/riot/ p.s. What I'm sick and tired already of is the word "boomerification", and that's the first time I've seen it.

> p.s. What I'm sick and tired already of is the word "boomerification", and that's the first time I've seen it. Ok boomer.

Please refresh on the HN comment guidelines.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Post by wnevets »

yesenadam wrote: post #156
wnevets wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> p.s. What I'm sick and tired already of is the word "boomerification", and that's the first time I've seen it. Ok boomer.

Please refresh on the HN comment guidelines.

Why is boomer listed there?

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Post by magicalhippo »

wnevets wrote: post #153
magicalhippo wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article I linked: Several programs emphasize the selection of certain types of motor play equipment, based on previous observational studies of children’s outdoor play (Martin, 2000; McCall & Craft, 2004). These authors argue that equipment should be chosen to carry out specific activities that meet motor learning goals. Too often, they suggest, movement activities are planned around expensive pieces of play…

You realize this study's definition of risky play includes riding a bike and playing with sticks, right?

Clearly you're grasping at straws now. I'm out.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Post by wnevets »

magicalhippo wrote: post #158
wnevets wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize this study's definition of risky play includes riding a bike and playing with sticks, right?

Clearly you're grasping at straws now. I'm out.

For some reason you keep replying to this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35222791 with links that claim physical exercise is important. In the future I suggest reading your links before posting them instead of assuming other people won't read them.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Post by mpweiher »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #149
mpweiher wrote: post #3

"... it’s the strict policing of standards that enables a risk-accepting culture in the first place." Doesn't just apply to playgrounds.

Where what and how much risk matters. A kid falling off of a playground -- kids are small, falls don't hurt them as much -- has a lot less risk than changing a traffic pattern and having an F-150 slam into another vehicle. Or having banks get greedy and collapse the economy. Risks also require safety nets. Otherwise you're just screwing your people over.

> Risks also require safety nets.

Which is exactly what the piece said.

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