> Sometimes Copilot will be right, other times usefully wrong
“Usefully wrong” is some audacious marketing.
Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work
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Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It does have great promise in an open-source self-hosted incarnation not controlled by external actors, however. I'm not even sure about that, entirely. My very limited understanding of this is that a core requirement is the initial data - the large language models(?). Which of these you can use, or how it's initially developed/populated, will have an influence on the answers you get and how it may evolve/"learn".…
I think for now, the data requirements to train a SOTA LLM are so extreme we don’t have the luxury of being picky with the training data. We are getting close to the point where there isn’t enough human written text in existence to continue scaling these models. Model refinement seemingly has lower training requirements, putting it within the reach of smaller organizations or wealthy individuals. If you don’t like th…
>We are getting close to the point where there isn’t enough human written text in existence to continue scaling these models.
People say this, but GPT-3 (the latest we know the details on) was 45TB of text, which may be most of the open Internet, but still lacks non-publicly-indexed Internet text (i.e. things behind paywalls, things behind log-in screens like emails), any book outside of Bibliotik's 200k books (remember when Google was randomly digitizing all books it could get its hands on?), and plenty of other non-digitized text.
OpenAI wants you to believe that we are running out of text, but even at Google, there's 100's of TB of text that OpenAI doesn't have access to (Google Books, Google Docs, Gmail, Search Queries, Archived pages beyond what CommonCrawl gets, Paywalled news articles that allow Google to crawl them, etc.).
Now the key question that GPT-4 will hopefully answer is "are bigger datasets really the key, or are larger context windows?"
If you're thinking of investing in/working for OpenAI, you better hope the answer is context windows.
Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work
#153Shipping at big companies can often be surprisingly hard so it's impressive to see how fast Microsoft is moving with AI integration into all their products.
Given how bad the Bing integration has gone, perhaps we should wait and see what the actual results are before we get too impressed.
I've been using it for code and product summaries and recommendations and it works fine.
With what uses did you find it lacking?
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#154Really. I used chatGPT quite a few times to summarize corporate spam emails to me. So this now makes things deliciously ironic: 1. BS Manager jolts down a few lines then AI outputs pompous bullshit from the raw bullshit she wrote. 2. I get the bullshit email and then use AI to distill the bullshit down to the essential bullshit
I am a DevRel so I work on the business side of the company but my intended readers are developers.
Even though I was a skeptic at first, now I am a believer in practical usage of AI. I really struggle with writing CTAs or conclusive remarks. My writing style is dry and I write technical articles in a step by step manner assuming the reader has no to little understanding of the subject matter. I feel like developer do appreciate this writing practice however all long form content need meaningful endings.
I appreciate the help of AI with summarizing, describing what the intended instructions should achieve and telling readers to explore the next step.
My content used to end at "now you know how to do it". This is just too unnatural, writing a meaningful conclusion can be a challange sometimes so AI is helping me a lot.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe it's not actually being requested by masses and instead just a vocal minority that you happen to be a part of? Or maybe Microsoft already calculated that fixing it won't bring much if any more money than not and therefore that it's not worth it. Just because something that you want fixed isn't done does not mean they're "slow". If it hasn't been included after years of being "requested by masses", then it's mor…
There is even a paid app doing that now! Beyond free ones. That's how rare problem is this. :D You actually meet with it daily, hourly if using two or more windows by the same app. Just because you are a hobbist user and never met a productivity problem it doesn't mean that the professional population does not suffer from it (see, I can make unfunded assumptions too about the other end ;) ). All around me have this p…
> There is even a paid app doing that now
Does that somehow change prioritization? If anything, it would lower the priority because there's a workaround people can use.
> All around me have this problem, with various level of seriousity. Google the problem, like I did for prolonged time searching for a good answer, it will bring up masses of troubled people.
If it was as large of a problem as you claim, with as wide an impacted userbase, it would have already been fixed. Yet here we are.
All you've proven is that there is a vocal minority. Which I already said.
At the scale of Microsoft and Windows (1.4 billion active users), for every person complaining about a specific problem, there are literally millions of users who aren't. Just because it is a problem for you does not mean it's automatically a big enough problem to address. If it isn't going to actively lose users (which it clearly isn't, considering people wrote apps to stay on Windows and have this behavior), then it isn't worth it.
> Can you also have an educated deliberation about the calculations justified the removal of this feature existed before? ;)
I'm not a seer, but it's plainly obvious from a software prioritization standpoint. The taskbar was rewritten and the feature was not justified as being important enough to keep. Wow, such deep, so insight.
Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work
#156Really. I used chatGPT quite a few times to summarize corporate spam emails to me. So this now makes things deliciously ironic: 1. BS Manager jolts down a few lines then AI outputs pompous bullshit from the raw bullshit she wrote. 2. I get the bullshit email and then use AI to distill the bullshit down to the essential bullshit
I'm sure no pertinent information wil be lost in this game of corporate broken telephone. The vodka is good but the meat is rotten.
Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work
#157Really. I used chatGPT quite a few times to summarize corporate spam emails to me. So this now makes things deliciously ironic: 1. BS Manager jolts down a few lines then AI outputs pompous bullshit from the raw bullshit she wrote. 2. I get the bullshit email and then use AI to distill the bullshit down to the essential bullshit
There is a product leader at my company that has started generating product documents from ChatGPT and it atrocious. Now we have product documents that are filled with pages of content vaguely related to what we are working on. They don't use it as a starting point to edit, it's copy and paste it in. They regularly "reveal" that this was all AI, when it is blatantly obvious it is. Not sure how we are supposed to be "…
You must work with better product people than I have, because I'd argue the vast majority of their output pre ChatGPT was atrocious garbage vaguely related to what we were working on.
Re: Microsoft 365 Copilot – your copilot for work
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a product leader at my company that has started generating product documents from ChatGPT and it atrocious. Now we have product documents that are filled with pages of content vaguely related to what we are working on. They don't use it as a starting point to edit, it's copy and paste it in. They regularly "reveal" that this was all AI, when it is blatantly obvious it is. Not sure how we are supposed to be "…
If people are misusing their tools i wouldn't fault ChatGTP/MSCopilot for it.
I didn’t see them do so.
But the tools don’t do what a lot of people imagine and so we’ll see such misuse be rampant for a long long while.
We don’t take digital pollution or content pollution very seriously yet, but these tools are going to force us to finally do so. There’s a lot of smog coming to our online lives.
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#159No word on pricing. Given how expensive GPT-4 is, and how "integrated" with document / presentation content the responses appear to be, I expect this to be a very expensive product. Maybe they'll eat the costs like with BingChat to wet people's appetite and hope for a breakthrough on the hardware side to bring costs down but I can't imagine they can keep that up for long.
Oh they sure will eat the costs until Google is the new Yahoo
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#160For those who dont follow, or dont remember anything much about M$, Microsoft 365 is the replacement brand of Office 365.
Now an off topic question, the first photo is showing what I believe is Microsoft Word. But it doesn't have the Ribbon design. Did they finally drop the Ribbon or is that something else?
Edit: I think those are Web Application of the Office Apps just in Full Screen. But I still think they look much better than Ribbon.