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Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Which API? (Genuinely curious, thanks in advance!)

I just know there is one that smartwatches used before the Apple Watch was introduced. It allows third party watches to receive notifications. Others are thinking MS is just using the standard BT profile for messages that all modern cellphones support

But that API doesn't allow for replies. Only notifications. So they aren't doing it the same way as Fitbit or Garmin and other smartwatch companies.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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I just know there is one that smartwatches used before the Apple Watch was introduced. It allows third party watches to receive notifications. Others are thinking MS is just using the standard BT profile for messages that all modern cellphones support

But that API doesn't allow for replies. Only notifications. So they aren't doing it the same way as Fitbit or Garmin and other smartwatch companies.

That’s why I’m leaning toward the Bluetooth protocol for messages.

https://www.bluetooth.com/specifications/specs/message-acces...

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Weirdly enough Dell has had this tech since ~2018 but you had tk spoof your computer as a Dell to use it on non-dell computers. Looks like Intel bought the company that made it in 2021 and the Dell app is being discontinued.

Good find! Here are some links for anyone interested:

Dell Mobile Connect on Windows Store: https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/dell-mobile-connect/...

Dell Mobile Connect and Alienware Mobile Connect End of Service Announcement : https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000199082/dell-mobi...

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Accounts with per SMS billing were unlikely to have mobile data for comfortable Whatsapp usage, so I doubt that was the substitution. To call between France and various African countries in the early Android era, I remember first using Viber - but after a while everyone switched to Whatsapp in a few months: somehow, through some sheer black magic, Whatsapp had nailed voice quality over the lossy high-latency links th…

> Accounts with per SMS billing were unlikely to have mobile data for comfortable Whatsapp usage, so I doubt that was the substitution. Care to quantify that? PAYG SMS was/is consistently way more expensive than PAYG data[1] in every country I have visited; granted I haven't been to many countries, but I've visited most continents. IIRC, there's a 2-3 orders of magnitude difference in the costs-per-140-bytes sent. Pe…

At the time of the rise of Viber and then Whatsapp, for people in Africa or communicating with Africa the messaging substitution wasn't an important question at all: we were burning so much money with international calls (and SMS) that any other tradeoff was a rounding error.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Removed SMS support from the app

It seems counterintuitive to use SMS in the first place if your users expect end to end encryption.

It did in fact support even that. That's how the whole thing started, as TextSecure which encrypted SMS.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

I have a pet theory that everything Apple produces is deliberately made slightly unusual for the purpose of (a) vendor lock-in and (b) enhancing the feeling in their cult that they are above non-Apple users because Apple products do things in "smarter" ways.

Those blinded fools have no idea what abuse they are putting up with, they rationalize every inconvenience and will happily evangelize the Word of Apple.

(Disclaimer: In principle, I love all people regardless of their use of OS/product/whatever ^_^)

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

My biggest gripe is when iPhone users share video or images, they are grainy nonsense. If Apple just moved to RCS this would be solved, but they refuse simply because they know it handicaps their competitor. The react thing has largely been fixed by Google on newer versions of messenger. It's impossible to fix the video stuff. People outside the US don't get it. They say everyone should switch to Whatsapp, etc, but g…

The privacy argument has helped move some of my friends over to Signal, but yeah, we'll be putting up with multiple messaging apps for some time longer.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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I don't have WhatsApp or iMessage; anyone who wants to communicate with me can use email or Signal. Signal lets me sign in with VoIP numbers, so it works fine for my uses, and is reasonably secure.

If I drew that line I would have approximately zero people communicating with me.

This is the fear that keeps people serving as the honey in the trap of these surveillance apps.

If someone can't be assed to download a zero cost and surveillance-free, ad-free app to talk to you, how much do they really value communicating with you?

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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post #81

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Removed SMS support from the app

It seems counterintuitive to use SMS in the first place if your users expect end to end encryption.

Yeah, as an iPhone Signal user, the concept that you'd ever use want to use it for anything other than explicitly encrypted messaging never even occurred to me. I learned about this feature that the Android version had when they announced it would be discontinued. I would even consider the "graceful" fall back to SMS to be potentially an anti-feature/security flaw, as it opens you up to downgrade attacks.

Re: Microsoft somehow brings iMessage to Windows – will it last?

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Having switched back to Android, it can be infuriating dealing with iPhone users. I get slammed with "messages" when someone reacts to a message and oftentimes, messages just don't show up or messages go to my iPad and not my phone. Apple makes this extremely confusing. The iPhone users never know of their message goes through or what they're actually sending to (my iCloud account or my phone number).

I refuse to use iMessage for many reasons, but one is that it is super not-robust when it comes to messaging other iPhone users who have a different iMessage setting. If I have it enabled and you don't, many times the message will simply get lost in transit or into the aether. Vice-versa: same deal.
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