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I'd work from a toilet stall for a Google L6 comp band I doubt any Googlers actually care about this stuff

When you get there and find yourself with other companies clambering to hire you, with better perks and pay, you may think differently.

Just got hired as a Google L6. When does this happen?

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How is WFH miserable and if it is, it’s your home, can’t you make it more comfortable?

That’s assuming that one’s issues with WFH can’t be resolved by not having a bunch of other people around. It’s lost in me why so many nerds don’t understand that not everyone wants to be wrapped up in their fortress of solitude, peeping out of a Zoom window.

I absolutely love being around people when I am not trying to do deep work. Even as far as going to lunch, dinner, etc with coworkers. I work in consulting now, I have to actually pretend to be a people person.

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I'm a Googler who very much cares about having my own desk. I hate WFH because I find it to be miserable, strongly prefer WFO, and this would make WFO miserable too. I'm not gonna be miserable for 8 hours every day for any amount of money.

How is WFH miserable and if it is, it’s your home, can’t you make it more comfortable?

The existence of familiar faces, even if we don’t speak, reduces loneliness.

“We are in this together” so to speak.

It’s funny how our brains do so many things for us without us being aware of them.

Now, the more people return, the more hectic and loud it will be which I detest.

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I can’t say the same. I was making $150K in 2020 at 45 years old living in my 4 year old newly built house in the burbs and I completely ignored any chance at working at BigTech if it meant moving. The only reason I gave a recruiter the time of day at the BigTech company I ended up working at is when she suggested I do a pivot into the cloud consulting department (cloud app dev implementations) and said the position…

Low CoL place? 150k doesn’t support paying for a 4 bedroom in the suburbs of coastal cities…

Most of the 2.7 million developers in the US don’t live in a coastal area

I had my house built in 2016 in “the good school system” in the northern burbs of Atlanta for $335K. It was 3200 square feet 5/3-1/2.

There is a reason I didn’t entertain the recruiter until she suggested a permanently remote role.

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Is that a good read? I liked Quicksilver.

I loved it. I think it's probably Stephenson's best novel, before he went off the rails with books unreadably long to anyone but his most devoted followers. And I say this as someone who also read Zodiac, Diamond Age, and Cryptonomicon.

Is Diamond Age considered unreadably long? Because gosh did I like it, but it did seem long-ish.

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The #1 reason everybody gives for "RTO" is "to improve collaboration." It seems like having hot desks if implemented properly could MAYBE actually help facilitate that. Let teams get areas (or, gasp, dedicated OFFICES) where they can sit together when they coordinate for in-office collaboration time. Let people move around to shoulder surf or pair code when they want to. Having hot desks with a hybrid office model makes much more sense rather than having people go in to a 3/5ths full office and try to ignore the distractions.

If you want to put headphones in, nose down, and get into flow that is the beauty of WFH. Unless you have a REALLY unconducive home environment to that - which I know some who do but the majority have very well optimized home setups that allow them to focus without distraction.

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When I was at Google (Kirkland), the offices were basically open-plan fishbowls. WFH was massively better. I once worked at a startup (pre-covid) that had an open-plan setup with a significant portion of people using standing desks. They provided one stool for 2 standing desks justifying it because "if you use a standing desk you should be standing most of the time". Pure cheapskate short-sightedness.

> They provided one stool for 2 standing desks

They had it better in the movie Brazil. At least they had offices!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS5WLkb_Cxk

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Well, that could be justified as maintaining the health of the employees by forcing one of two to stand up at any time.

That's not the employer's purview. They can incentivize health but, seriously F right off with that controlling nonsense. They're employees, not your charges or children.

Not that I agree with the practice, but many retail employees (at least in the USA) are required to stand while working, even if the job can easily be done while seated, as is the case for receptionists, fast food and grocery cashiers, and so on. It's definitely within the company's purview, even if the practice is unnecessarily cruel.

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I loved it. I think it's probably Stephenson's best novel, before he went off the rails with books unreadably long to anyone but his most devoted followers. And I say this as someone who also read Zodiac, Diamond Age, and Cryptonomicon.

Is Diamond Age considered unreadably long? Because gosh did I like it, but it did seem long-ish.

Not too long to read. But too long to read and enjoy imo. I think all his books post-Snow Crash could be 30% shorter and would then be about 75% better.
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