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Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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Post by jacooper »

iforgotpassword wrote: post #97
madduci wrote: post #79

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After all the crap that Google put in Android, I still don't understand why some other alternative ecosystems like Ubuntu Phone or GrapheneOS or Mankato (PinePhone) aren't attractive for users and developers. What's holding everyone back? I understand that without users there won't be apps, but also without apps there won't be users, since they offer just the basics. Imagine if TikTok or WhatsApp have had an app for…

It is the Apps, and you perfectly summarized how it's a feedback loop. It wasn't the only reason why Windows phone failed, but it was one of them, even though Microsoft threw money at companies to at least have the most important apps available from pretty much day one. The app store still was pathetic and a lot of basic quality of life apps missing. And they kept going for what, 6 years before they announced they'll…

GrapheneOS has sandboxes google services, so almost all apps work, even services like google nearby share work too! The only exception is apps needing Safetynet with hardware attestation.

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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Post by lern_too_spel »

GeekyBear wrote: post #141
lern_too_spel wrote: post #124

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> Basing the ad displayed on search terms entered or the page content is the opposite of a privacy violation It doesn't just show ads based on current search terms. It uses your install and usage history to show personalized ads. https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/22/apple-announces-more-ap... The difference between Android and iOS is that with Android, you don't have to use spying services from Google or Apple. With…

> Google gets your purchase history whether you use Android or iOS. > Apple only stores the information that is necessary to maintain users’ accounts. The difference is clear.

I don't know how you keep failing to understand this. How little Apple and Google care about privacy doesn't matter. What matters is being able to avoid them as much as possible. iOS fails completely at this, while Android fares much better.

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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Post by GeekyBear »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #152
GeekyBear wrote: post #141

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> Google gets your purchase history whether you use Android or iOS. > Apple only stores the information that is necessary to maintain users’ accounts. The difference is clear.

I don't know how you keep failing to understand this. How little Apple and Google care about privacy doesn't matter. What matters is being able to avoid them as much as possible. iOS fails completely at this, while Android fares much better.

> How little Apple and Google care about privacy doesn't matter.

It's impossible to take this seriously.

Google, literally has surveillance capitalism as it's entire business model.

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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Post by lern_too_spel »

GeekyBear wrote: post #153
lern_too_spel wrote: post #152

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I don't know how you keep failing to understand this. How little Apple and Google care about privacy doesn't matter. What matters is being able to avoid them as much as possible. iOS fails completely at this, while Android fares much better.

> How little Apple and Google care about privacy doesn't matter. It's impossible to take this seriously. Google, literally has surveillance capitalism as it's entire business model.

Are you really that dense? I showed you how Apple violates your privacy on iOS in a way that you cannot avoid on iOS. On Android, you don't have to put up with that nonsense. What the hell does Google have to do with it, violating your privacy whether you use iOS or Android or no phone at all?

You have no choice but to let Google get your purchases (except maybe via some opt out with your card issuer). You do have a choice not to send your app usage to Apple and Google, but only if you use Android.

As far as whether Google or Apple is worse for surveillance capitalism, only the former (and Microsoft and Mozilla) lets me opt out of them collecting my SSID location. That is yet another reason iOS is worse for privacy than Android. Even worse, it is impossible to get your location on iOS without also sending your location to Apple.

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Post by GeekyBear »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #154
GeekyBear wrote: post #153

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> How little Apple and Google care about privacy doesn't matter. It's impossible to take this seriously. Google, literally has surveillance capitalism as it's entire business model.

Are you really that dense? I showed you how Apple violates your privacy on iOS in a way that you cannot avoid on iOS. On Android, you don't have to put up with that nonsense. What the hell does Google have to do with it, violating your privacy whether you use iOS or Android or no phone at all? You have no choice but to let Google get your purchases (except maybe via some opt out with your card issuer). You do have a…

>Are you really that dense?

No, I'm just not gullible enough to buy into such a ridiculous premise.

Spying on users is Google's entire business model.

Re: Android launches yet another way to spy on users with “Privacy Sandbox” beta

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Post by lern_too_spel »

GeekyBear wrote: post #155
lern_too_spel wrote: post #154

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Are you really that dense? I showed you how Apple violates your privacy on iOS in a way that you cannot avoid on iOS. On Android, you don't have to put up with that nonsense. What the hell does Google have to do with it, violating your privacy whether you use iOS or Android or no phone at all? You have no choice but to let Google get your purchases (except maybe via some opt out with your card issuer). You do have a…

>Are you really that dense? No, I'm just not gullible enough to buy into such a ridiculous premise. Spying on users is Google's entire business model.

> Spying on users is Google's entire business model.

What does that have to do with anything? On Android, I can use as few Google apps as an iOS user. Even better, I can use fewer spying Apple apps. Apple's entire business model is marketing to gullible users who hand over their money and their data.

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