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50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by FpUser »

Maursault wrote: post #139
FpUser wrote: post #77

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If China is cut off from Taiwan's most advanced tech that it can not produce on its own it might as well stop caring that the factories get destroyed.

Four months later...[1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/taiwan-signals-its-chip-f...

As they say "she was asking for it". Basically they put themselves between rock and hard place. If / when the US will transplant their tech / factories to the US soil or the other safe place they might suddenly loose strong will to protect Taiwan with all their military might.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by owenmarshall »

edgyquant wrote: post #117
908B64B197 wrote: post #80

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50% rejection rate sounds incredibly high to me. I'm not sure the code shipped by the offshored programmers I've interacted with built 50% of the time. Something like 90% of "software engineers" in the country are considered unfit for software engineering [0] [1] [0] https://restofworld.org/2020/india-engineering-degree/ [1] https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/jobs/only-6-of-those-pa...

Yeah my experience has been abysmal. Now I have met engineers in the states from India who were some of the most brilliant people I’ve met, but the companies I’ve been at that offshored drove me crazy. Time complexity and DRY were things these individuals had never considered worthy of their time. These weren’t all cheap hires either: some of them were senior engineers making six figures

I was at a company that moved from an offshored setup to an offshored and outsourced one, and that was eye opening.

The offshore employees were, on aggregate, no better or no worse than their US counterparts. They were carefully recruited by a dedicated team, and all ended up with solid institutional knowledge because they were valued and retained over their careers. They even had decent advancement paths as well, including into management - I remember one guy in the office whose reporting chain went from him to Hyderabad - USA - Bangalore - USA. That had to be fun.

But then the outsourcing bug bit, teams were decimated in both countries, and that’s when I got to see the typical horror stories firsthand.

I’m careful now to ask people who talk about “offshoring” if they mean building a team of FTEs in another country, or hiring a body shop with the lie that they’ll handle the “non-core business tasks”.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by downvoteme1 »

Sorry but I am a bit naive here but when Apple asks a company to manufacture a part , do they also enlist the steps in the machining process that goes in to manufacture that part

Or

Do they just give a finished sample to the factory and ask them to figure it out on how to manufacture this part.

If it is former, then is this Indian company skipping some steps in the manufacturing process?

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by FpUser »

serf wrote: post #126
grantsch wrote: post #122

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Yeah or maybe you could just be honest and not cheat. That's a good option too.

as someone who has ran a machine shop, that's lovely -- but rare. 95 percent of the shops I have known in the past or worked with currently would sell you their ability to do something while simultaneous upgrading their equipment to match the moment the PO is signed off on. If fab/machine/mfg shops didn't take on work that was beyond their capability then the smaller groups would starve to death immediately, being un…

I've been burned by overpromising machine shops in Canada. They have eventually delivered but with absolutely unacceptable delays. How does one year sound?

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by jen729w »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #91
eldaisfish wrote: post #68

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the disappointing thing is that India can absolutely dominate the sector and supply cheap generics to poor countries. They have the expertise and supply chains. All while making a tidy profit. Instead, greed and crony capitalism takes over and increasingly, the indian government is getting increasingly involved, reacting to any criticism in a churlish manner. Really sad to see the wasted potential in a country like I…

Why do you suspect it’s cultural?

Have you spent any time in India? It is absolutely cultural.

That might not be palatable but it's true.

My mate Kiran used to lament the state of his own country. "The corruption..." he would sigh.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by Maursault »

FpUser wrote: post #151
Maursault wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Four months later...[1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/taiwan-signals-its-chip-f...

As they say "she was asking for it". Basically they put themselves between rock and hard place. If / when the US will transplant their tech / factories to the US soil or the other safe place they might suddenly loose strong will to protect Taiwan with all their military might.

I think we should just move the whole island to a spot off the coast of California.

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by viraptor »

ElevenLathe wrote: post #128
grantsch wrote: post #122

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Yeah or maybe you could just be honest and not cheat. That's a good option too.

I'm not sure it really is. Dial your time machine back to Victorian London and I bet you would find lots of similarly-run factories. As another poster pointed out, the choices are essentially 1) be honest that you are kind of a bad factory, and can't really produce anything that people want or 2) pretend that you are a great factory, get some business, learn and iterate. Eventually you can honestly promise high quali…

> Dial your time machine back to Victorian London

You may want to check with Ea-Nasir about his copper ingots... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complaint_tablet_to_Ea-nasir

Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by [deleted] »

rocknor wrote: post #112
firstfewshells wrote: post #64

This is like comparing the code written by an experienced 20 year veteran to the code written by a fresh graduate. Give it time, India will catch up. Lot of people in the comments taking a dig at the work ethic of people in India when most of them will cry a river if asked by their employer to RTO 2 days a week.

Seriously, it has become a pattern now in every thread related to India. Really shows how HN techies are clueless about real world trends and live in their small bubbles.

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Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by kerpotgh »

blobbers wrote: post #76
kerpotgh wrote: post #47

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Cars are one of India’s larger exports. Cars are definitely manufactured in India- TATA, Mahindra, Maruti etc.

You're right. Nonetheless, not quite at the level one might have hoped given the early promises they made years ago. They never did create the car of the future to sell to the Americans.

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Re: 50% rejection rate for iPhone casings produced in India shows Apple’s challenge

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Post by Zuiii »

1024core wrote: post #129
blobbers wrote: post #46

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Anyone want to vouch for their great experience driving a Tata car? Not exported outside the middle east and India. Looks like they sold 5 of them in Europe in 2016. https://carsalesbase.com/europe-tata/#:~:text=Tata%20cars%20... .

You do know that Tata owns Jaguar and Land Rover... right?

They bought them.
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