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Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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This is what I find the most surprising. I was under the impression that ChatGPT was still "research" and wouldn't be ready for prime time for a while. These rushed products that don't live anywhere near up to the hype seem like they will sour public opinion on it.

From some of the reporting it sounds like AI was in a bit of a cold war that accidentally turned hot. OpenAI got it into their head that someone else was going to release a chat bot imminently, so they panicked and raced to release their own, which is why it's GPT3 based, doesn't have up to date info and has all sorts of other problems. OpenAI panicked and rushed something out and now Google is doing the same. All of…

I haven't used it, but I know plenty of people who today use ChatGPT for work or for school every day.

If you are ok with a higher degree of inaccuracy in exchange for minimizing your efford by a lot, ChatGPT is a game changer for many people.

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I have switched to Bing and Edge, then wrote a script to rack up points in hopes that I get moved up for the new BingGPT. Google search results have been trending toward crap for a while from my POV. 'Google it' is sticky, but I absolutely have not missed a beat with Edge and Bing. In fact, Edge has been a really pleasant surprise with features Chrome doesn't have. A calculator in the side bar is fracking awesome!

>> A calculator in the side bar is fracking awesome! Another case of the browser doing what the OS and Desktop environment should be doing. I like to point at tabs - DEs and GUI toolkits never really came up with a good way to handle multiple documents well.

I think every major OS ships with some sort of calculator. The problem is discoverability. If you're in the middle of browsing, it's quite a bit of effort to say "oh that's right I have a calculator on here let me just find it in the start menu/Applications folder" as opposed to it just being there in the same app you're already using.

Widgets would be a potential solution but they keep being tried and abandoned soon after in desktop OSes.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Eh, this feels different. There are some immediate utilities delivered from ChatGPT and Midjourney that feel like magic. Will they get over hyped? Sure. But is there a real kernel of something different there? I think so. Chatbots were just a worse way to fill out a form. NFTs we’re…where to even begin. But I’ve already used GPT to write thank you note and create a blog post, and I’ve used midjourney to create stock…

> GPT to write thank you note The whole point of a thank you note is that it takes time and effort. You didn’t write a thank you note, you forged one.

I bet you also think it takes effort to write the same boilerplate resignation letter/good bye letter.

I’ve used the same two since 2012 across 5 jobs.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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He survived for 8+ years as a Google CEO and 4+ years as Alphabet CEO. Tells that he has done few things OK.

He is world class at being inoffensive. He's great at testifying to Congress.

Testifying to Congress is a pretty key skill for a Google CEO at the moment, to be fair.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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just wait until the various ChatGPTs are training each other using the well "researched content" they spamming the internet with... That alone will kill search more thoroughly then ChatGPT ever could by facilitating search at Bing.

I think we just ignited the AI Poisoning bomb. Future system will have a harder time to be trained, because their datasets will be poisoned. Wrote up my thoughts about this a few weeks ago when ChatGPT started https://blog.libove.org/posts/ai-posioning/

So future AI development will require proper training data created by humans, but have continuously harder time finding it because human creates become rarer and it gets harder to distinguish between human and AI created content?

Well, I'll just go and ignore the internet for a decade or so until this thing blows over then...

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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I stopped using google and almost don't use SO for programming related searches, my daily driver is chatGPT even when sometimes it gives bad answers. Chatbots were useless garbage from the get go and I hated them and NFT is, well NFT.

Doesn't it bother you that it sounds just as confident when it's making stuff up as when it's accurately summarizing? Do you just think you can tell when it's wrong?

I can easily tell whether the code that ChatGPT writes for me is wrong by using an IDE. But it’s always closer to meeting my exact requirements than a Google search.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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> Google employees > Interactive chart of Alphabet (GOOG) annual worldwide employee count from 2010 to 2022. Alphabet total number of employees in 2022 was 190,234 There should be a rule where you can't over-represent a group of people in media headlines. What percentage of 190,000 people called the CEOs response a dumpster fire? What percentage of 190,000 are even aware of ChatGPT or Google's response to it?

You only need 2 Google employees to criticize Sundar for "Google employees call the response a dumpster fire" to be plausibly true. When things like this come out in the media, I generally assume n That said, you can add me as an Xoogler who thinks that Sundar is phenomenally bad at managing the company.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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People hating on Sundar completely overlooking the fact that he pivoted Google to an AI first company 6 years ago, way before AI was hyped up. https://venturebeat.com/ai/ai-weekly-google-shifts-from-mobi... He funded the Brain team that came up with major research breakthroughs like Transformers that power ChatGPT. AI is embedded behind the scenes in pretty much every Google product, you just don't know it because it…

You say all of that as if it's a good thing.

Objectively, Google is doing just fine as far as I know. So my personal subjective experience is just that: anecdotal.

However, over the last 6 years I have found myself abandoning Google's products en masse, with the most notable being search.

Where Google really shined in its application of ML IMO was eliminating spam. Since then they have tried to use ML to solve all sorts of problems and it has only served to make their products worse.

I switched away from search because, at some point, it started trying to infer some sort of meaning from my keywords when all I want are 1:1 keyword matches ranked by relevance, with exclusion and grouping operators. I started using DuckDuckGo not because of privacy concerns (ok maybe a little bit because of privacy concerns), but because I started to find that it was giving me more relevant results.

I use GMail for work and it's fine, but even that widely popular product doesn't seem any better than the alternatives these days. I still have an ancient Yahoo mail account from the 90s and I use Tutanota for other personal email addresses. Granted, I'm not an email power user so I don't really use tags or other advanced features. Maybe GMail really shines there. But for a simple email client with good spam filtering, GMail is no better than alternatives these days IMO.

Google docs and sheets are OK. I'm not sure how those are leveraging ML but it's the same deal as with GMail. I've used Office365, G-Suite and Libre Office running locally and as for features the only difference in functionality that I can observe is cloud vs local; if that's not a factor then they are all interchangeable.

So I don't see how being "AI First" has improved the end user experience. I liked their products much better 10 years ago.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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Whats with everything being a dumpster fire nowadays? how about a simple hot mess? or what happened to a good ol hell in a hand-basket? or Ninth Circle Of Hell? I'm sure there are better euphemisms than the dumpster being on fhir as that indicates someone stoking it whereas the reality is more indecision and inaction causing confusion and demoralizing the teams.

Let's not forget "Gong Show".

Is this one a West Coast Canadian term of a certain era?

It was popular in Vancouver in the oughts but I've been met with blank stares elsewhere on the continent, especially East Coast younger millennials.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

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This is what I find the most surprising. I was under the impression that ChatGPT was still "research" and wouldn't be ready for prime time for a while. These rushed products that don't live anywhere near up to the hype seem like they will sour public opinion on it.

From some of the reporting it sounds like AI was in a bit of a cold war that accidentally turned hot. OpenAI got it into their head that someone else was going to release a chat bot imminently, so they panicked and raced to release their own, which is why it's GPT3 based, doesn't have up to date info and has all sorts of other problems. OpenAI panicked and rushed something out and now Google is doing the same. All of…

Some important points about large language models verses self-driving cars:

1. The former is entirely in software and has the favorable economics that brings with it

2. Language models don't need to be that good to provide value, whereas self-driving cars basically need to be solved before they become significantly useful

3. There's a cottage industry of secondary startups being built around using language models for various applications, whereas no such thing exists for self-driving (probably because of 2)

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