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Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by kebman »

ekianjo wrote: post #147
aflag wrote: post #38

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I think the fact that smoking forces others around you to smoke, whereas drinking doesn't is a big part of it. Along with the fact that drinking occasionally is far more common than smoking occasionally. Nicotine is far more adictive.

> smoking forces others around you to smoke, whereas drinking doesn't is a big part of it. if you go out with people who love drinking, it's going to be very hard to stick to coca-cola

I don't agree. For one, I've done it myself, and you can have just as much fun, if not more without alcohol. Though when the crowd gets too pissed, I usually just move on or go home. I like to drink occasionally, though, but I often abstain because I don't like the day after effect. Second I know abstainers who regularly go out with peeps who drink, and they do just fine. It's ofc annoying the third time someone you clearly told that you don't drink still offers you a drink, but most drinkers are completely fine and respectful with it. So IMO it's wrong to force such labels on casual drinkers. Meanwhile I understand why there are labels on smokes, because it's hella addictive and it also seriously unhealthy even for third parties.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by ikekkdcjkfke »

_a_a_a_ wrote: post #141
johnaspden wrote: post #116

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Lancet's British

Brit here, upvoted for the giggle, but behind that I must admit we brits arguably have a serious (as in not at all funny) drug problem and that drug is alcohol.

If it ain't broke

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by [deleted] »

TOMDM wrote: post #79
nickjj wrote: post #59

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> I think the fact that smoking forces others around you to smoke, whereas drinking doesn't is a big part of it. I'd be curious if cooking with wine falls into this category of affecting others. For example, at a restaurant if a meal has a little bit of wine in its sauce will that be listed on the menu or would it be added behind the scenes sort of like you wouldn't expect to see "garlic powder" or "pepper" listed on…

For most recipes involving wine, the alcohol in the dish will have evaporated long before it arrives at your table.

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Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by B8MGHCBekDuRi »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #57

Reading through the comments here there seems to be much negative sentiment against this study. But what they are right? What if alcohol is actually just bad for you full stop. Would this really be that shocking or controversial that a known poison is poisonous?

> What if alcohol is actually just bad for you full stop

It is.

The point is it is not so bad that you should worry so much about it, just use moderation.

Like everything else in your life, especially past 40, you should use common sense: don't eat hamburgers every day, it's bad for your health. You should walk more, a sedentary lifestyle is really bad for your health. You should reduce the amount of sports you do and prefer moderate physical activity to playing football with your friends (see Hulk Hogan current health status), etc. etc.

It's not like tobacco, processed food or driving, those are really dangerous things for your health and will reduce your life span considerably.

Anyway, they tried prohibitionism in USA, it didn't work, so I guess alcohol is here to stay with us, till the end of time.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by khmii »

raverbashing wrote: post #67
stephen_g wrote: post #29

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And this is the Lancet article summarising the research: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2... The proportion of cancers attributable to alcohol is 4.1% of all cases, from [1]. Of that, the ‘Light to Moderate’ alcohol category ( 1. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2...

Yeah calling 1.5L/w 'light moderate' it's a stretch But anyway, I always take such research with a grain of salt (or maybe with a glass of wine) because alcohol consumption has personal relationship benefits Also not discounting the possibility that it's another "fat is bad" craze

I have always given the research credit that it may just be highly counter intuitive but it has always seemed rather obvious that drinking poison is not part of optimal longevity.

The least shocking thing is for new research to come out claiming no amount of poison is good for you.

I quite enjoy drinking a few times a year but pushing 50 there is nothing that makes me feel as bad as even a few beers the night before compared to getting up and going for my morning 60 min walk without.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by ekianjo »

kebman wrote: post #151
ekianjo wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> smoking forces others around you to smoke, whereas drinking doesn't is a big part of it. if you go out with people who love drinking, it's going to be very hard to stick to coca-cola

I don't agree. For one, I've done it myself, and you can have just as much fun, if not more without alcohol. Though when the crowd gets too pissed, I usually just move on or go home. I like to drink occasionally, though, but I often abstain because I don't like the day after effect. Second I know abstainers who regularly go out with peeps who drink, and they do just fine. It's ofc annoying the third time someone you…

I'm not saying it's impossible, but there is clearly social pressure to make you drink

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by proc0 »

I bet sugar is even more harmful, yet I doubt there will be any raising of awareness on that front (from the health industry). I think removing sugar from most foods in the grocery store would have much more impact than banning all alcohol. It just seems the priorities on harmful substances are not in order, from a perspective of a healthy society.

Re: WHO: No level of alcohol consumption is safe for our health

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Post by aflag »

nickjj wrote: post #59
aflag wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the fact that smoking forces others around you to smoke, whereas drinking doesn't is a big part of it. Along with the fact that drinking occasionally is far more common than smoking occasionally. Nicotine is far more adictive.

> I think the fact that smoking forces others around you to smoke, whereas drinking doesn't is a big part of it. I'd be curious if cooking with wine falls into this category of affecting others. For example, at a restaurant if a meal has a little bit of wine in its sauce will that be listed on the menu or would it be added behind the scenes sort of like you wouldn't expect to see "garlic powder" or "pepper" listed on…

Even though they have no obligation to, usually a dish that contains alcohol will say it's cooked in beer or it has a wine sauce. Being prepared with an alcoholic drink is usually considered classier. I think it's more likely for the restaurant to say they used wine or beer and, in fact, there is no alcohol but just flavourings, than it is for them to omit that part of the recipe.
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