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WTF with high school questions?

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Re: WTF with high school questions?

#151

I went to High School in the 1980s. I think I did okay in those classes, but I fail to see how something that happened more than 30 years ago would be relevant for hiring purposes in the 2020s.

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Guessing that's why OP qualified it with "more than"

Unless you graduated from HS by 1982, you can't say you've been out of high school for 40 years

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#152
post #113

This basically means: You need to be young; older people should not apply. Being of an older age is not a protected class, so they are able to do this.

In the United States, this is absolutely not true.

> The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) forbids age discrimination against people who are age 40 or older. It does not protect workers under the age of 40, although some states have laws that protect younger workers from age discrimination. It is not illegal for an employer or other covered entity to favor an older worker over a younger one, even if both workers are age 40 or older.

https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#153
post #6

Related: This was the first step in the interview process at Canonical – I withdrew (2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30735678

Based on the process, Canonical is the choosiest beggar I've bothered to apply to in the tech world. It was quite obvious to me I would be rejected, as the form is much more focused on "things that look good on paper" rather than "what this person can do", e.g. asking for your GPA. This presumably reflects the internal culture which leads to a history of user-hostile decisions: snap, Unity, that Amazon fiasco. They p…

> the form is much more focused on "things that look good on paper"

What more could you ask for from a form?

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#154
post #25

While I agree that questions about High School are dumb, if a candidate answered the question with "this question is irrelevant" in a free-form text field (as they did in the screenshot), I would probably thing twice about hiring the person.

"N/A" is far more succinct and creates an air of mystery.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#155

Why do recruiters have such trouble with such a simple task like gauging a candidate's real skills? Seriously. Here is how to do it. I'm looking for a React Developer, I ask the following simple questions: 1. Tell my about your contributions to major projects you have been involved in. (if they share their work ask more in-depth questions about it) 2. With $givenTechnologyStack, how do you usually solve state managem…

> 1. Tell my about your contributions to major projects you have been involved in. (if they share their work ask more in-depth questions about it) YMMY, but I was once interviewed in this style days after Elon mentioned it's his go-to style of interviewing. Was easily the worst, most pointless interview of my life. As with everything, it probably depends on the person. A good interviewer can do almost anything and co…

When hosting technical interviews, I deliberately lead with this type of question before we get into high-effort questions. Many candidates will immediately reveal knowledge gaps which set the tone for the whole interview.

Frequently experienced candidates with interview practice will simply ramble for many minutes - listing extensive contributions in excessive detail. Unfortunately when this happens it’s usually pretty awkward for everyone.

The ideal candidate will answer this question very gracefully and enable us to proceed directly into problem solving questions.

Gotta agree with your point about good/bad interviewers. I want to add that good interviewers/interviewees know how to manage the “risk” of such open-ended questions leading to a pointless interview.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#156
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

English prescriptivists are even more ironic-er. If they'd of bothered to take even an undergraduate level course in linguistics, they'd understand how wasteful a pastime "grammar nazi" is.

"Would of" is just is a misspelling of "would've".

Irregardless of that fact, if enough people misuse a word or grammatical construct long enough, it becomes de facto correct

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#157
post #10

They use the same format for Accounts Payable Clerk as they do for Director of Devops. Slightly lazy, sure, but not really blog post worthy. If you're an experienced hire just put do not recall and move on with your life.

What if you recall, but your math, physics, or computer science studies took place at home (e.g. the COVID cohort)? It only accepts answers for results at high school.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canonical makes infrastructure that I (and a significant slice of the world economy) depend on. If they want to significantly bias their application pool to people who are willing to tolerate that question, then I'm a bit concerned that I've invested years and years building on a decaying foundation, and now I have to investigate.

Wait until you find out about the application process for literally every large company you have ever used...

> Wait until you find out about the application process for literally every large company you have ever used...

Good companies don't ask about high school unless they are getting interns (and even then they usually ask about college)

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#159
This is just the stuff on the web form. There was more on the written follow up:

In high school, how did you rank competitively in maths and hard sciences? Which university and degree did you choose, what others did you consider, and why did you select that one? At university, did you do particularly well at any area of your degree? Overall, what was your degree result and how did that reflect on your ability? In high school and university, what did you achieve that was exceptional? What leadership roles did you take on during your education?

The first step of applying was filing a bug report, because applying wasn't possible. You can find the github issues people created. Yes, I did withdraw my application.

Re: WTF with high school questions?

#160

I'm 50. High School was a long time ago. I love Ubuntu, and I love Java (they were looking for people for Enterprise Java tooling), but the inane high school questions were, for me, a strong indicator that "oldies need not apply." Mr Shuttleworth has said - here - that he's confident this set of questions is picking the right people, so I'm taking him at his word and not wasting my time or theirs.

That is an interesting point about this (potentially) being age discrimination.
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