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Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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I assume some of this comes from small businesses getting a Square terminal and thinking "Tips? Yeah sure, I'll check that box, can't hurt!". It can hurt. If I'm prompted to tip [15/20/25]% just because somebody grabbed a donut out of the rack and dumped it in a paper bag, I think less of the place and I'm less likely to come back. Thought: Somebody should cook up an "AR" app that reads a menu and adds 20% tip plus l…

As a tourist it sucks though. You have to buy something to see the various taxes, then hope that they're the same for everything. Then you move on in your trip and have to repeat the process.

Just advertise the actual price, dammit.

And keep tipping for "OMG, this person was wonderful" not "this is 90% of their income".

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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I can't believe these comments, what is wrong with you people? if you are a highly paid technology worker, when you go to service establishments where people are working hourly and are desperate to work 40-50 hour weeks just to pay their rent and feed their kids, you *tip*. *generously*. the US has an insanely out of control income inequality issue that is very intractible and structural. If you are so fortunate as t…

> you tip. generously

No, absolutely not, that is not the correct solution to the very real problem of underpaid staff.

Instead I want laws to ban tipping and force jobs to pay a reasonable living wage at a minimum. Yes the product will cost more in restaurants but so be it, it's the honest way to do it.

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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I disagree with this. I'm reading your claim as "you should pay people so they become your friends." There's plenty of stores I've been regulars at that don't have a tipping system that I've become friendly with staff with. When I was a teenager and worked at movie theaters I became friendly with many regulars and tipping doesn't exist there. The warm fuzzies come from social interaction, face recognition, and being…

When I pay people to perform services for me, I don't operate under the illusion that we've become friends. I go to my favorite restaurant in Chicago and get brought a couple dishes on the house as soon as we're seated --- that's not because we're friends, it's because I've built a business relationship with the restaurant (and its servers). It's exactly the same dynamic as exists for airline customers who pay up for…

> It costs time, effort, and money to provide better service, so I'm not from where you get the moral dimension of having to buy them. They have a cost; of course you have to buy them.

It's an odd industry where you perform a service, then hope your customer decides to pay you for it.

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

#155

its expensive but I always tips atleast $10 on my $20-40 doordash orders now so it gets atleast picked up

That doesn't seem unreasonable. I don't think I've ordered delivery in like the last 2 years (when someone else was ordering and I got something).

It's like 8 minutes to all the places that deliver here though, so it's worth picking it up to have it fresher.

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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I'd rather just increase the minimum wage. Why do this pick and choose thing? If the minimum is not enough then it isn't enough for __everyone__.

Well the federal minimum wage hasn't been increased in ... 14 YEARS. So...maybe tip in the meantime? not to mention current legal frameworks allow workers who are tipped to be paid less than minimum wage. as well as some workers are undocumented and are victims of an obsolete immigration system that has not been fixed for decades due to political gridlock. so maybe just TIP, at the very least.

> So...maybe tip in the meantime?

Do you tip every employee in every industry that might be making minimum wage?

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

#157
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Given that even retail stores have added tipping prompts to their checkouts, I'd say yes. Plus many restaurants with placeholder tip icons that start at 25%+ You also don't know what the tip is really going towards in many cases. In the classic restaurant/waitstaff case you can reasonably expect it to go to the workers, in the random knick knack or general goods stores ??? Tipping in general is a system to transfer w…

No, tipping is in general a system that shifts some of the employer's costs to customers explicitly, rather than hiding them in prices and wages. It's an idiosyncratic system, but not an irrational one: wages and prices are stickier than tip levels.

All costs are borne by the customer because the employer, i.e. business owner, is charging the customer -- or they go out of business, which rarely helps the customer or the employee.

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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I don't. For sit down restaurants, or many service oriented jobs it makes for a better customer experience. I agree for counter service it where they want tips BEFORE the service experience it makes no sense. You ought to try sitting down in a restaurant in the EU. They do the bare minimum to serve you. Tying a possible bonus to the way you act in customer service facing role has a lot of benefits. "In addition it ge…

It does not mean better service. For example, no tipping in Japan, but sit down restaurants are perfectly pleasant.

Japanese people are culturally more inclined to be pleasant, it's part of the way they're raised, so I don't think that's a good example.

I've not had a pleasant experience in most other western nations. I won't say it was bad but it's nowhere near as efficient and you have to really get waiters attention before they'll do anything.

Re: Is tipping getting out of control? Many consumers say yes

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post #83

> Tipping is about making sure the people who are performing that service for you are getting paid what they’re owed Here in AU we call that "wages". Having to do quick maths while under social pressure and the threat of having your service quality degraded to make up for an employer or state being unwilling to pay workers enough to live might be called "coercion", but certainly it is externalising costs onto the cus…

As a European living in Canada, the tipping culture took some time to get used to. It's such a stupid/bad system.

Am Canadian, can confirm...

I do wish there was a way to tip the drivers who deliver my Amazon Prime stuff, though.

I don't want to tip someone who presses a few buttons on a screen to take my food order, that they usually mess up and sometimes add on a free side of bad attitude.

I would like an easy way to tip the guy who is trudging through the snow to deliver my 2KG jar of peanut butter at 9:30pm in January. I like this guy...

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