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Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Most CEOs are quite disposable.

That’s a bold claim, and is more than anything a reflection of the sorts of orgs you tend to interact with.

Most executives fail when achieving a new C-level rank: https://www.businessinsider.com/reasons-executives-fail-2015...

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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"I take full responsibility" is the new "our incredible journey" of failing tech company cliches.

I'd be ok with this and other lies having legal (civil) consequences, i.e. CEOs who say this are personally liable. Obviously, this phrase would die and that's the point.

Really, it's not hard to remain authentic. Statements like "I feel terrible" are fine and even "we're trying to support everyone through this transition, both staff directly affected and their families, as well as the remaining staff who we realize shoulder increased burden." Without saying "we're doing everything we can" and other obvious lies.

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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There's many comments about what does "I the take full responsibility mean" in these threads about layoffs. I'm curious - what do you think it means and should mean? I take that a company offering better severance than required by law is taking at least some responsibility.

Unless there's an apology and resignation It means they executed as expected when the money was pouring and not pouring. For some reason workers tend to believe that the CEO is taking responsibility for the hardships the workers will face and that's obviously not true. If the CEO was the one in fault and the workers were great talent that must be let go, then obviously the CEO should have been fired and not the workers.

When they take responsibility they don't admit wrongdoing or remorse, they simply explain what they did and probably expect a pat on the back. CEO's and workers have different responsibilities.

If you think that people shouldn't be fired in hired at whim, that's why employment are for. If you think that you are being wronged, that's why there are worker rights.

It's easy to say that Europe or UK are socialist in a booming market. As it might turn out, maybe they have a point.

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

#154

I'd be interested to know the age (or any other) demographic of HN'ers commenting on posts like these. Lot of people sounding very personally slighted by companies trying to remain profitable (or just in business).

> Lot of people sounding very personally slighted by companies trying to remain profitable (or just in business). Do you really need to make an effort to figure out why employees feel slighted for being fired without notice, and specially by an employer whose profitability is not questioned? You made it sound like only unreasonable people would be bothered by being forced out of a job while having rent/mortgage and b…

I haven't made any comment on the manner, nor assumed that those "HN'ers" were the ones layed off (which I think is a bit of a stretch anyways). I'm only commenting that whenever one of these "x company lays off x people" posts get made, you have this pitchfork-party effect happening.

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Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

#155

There's many comments about what does "I the take full responsibility mean" in these threads about layoffs. I'm curious - what do you think it means and should mean? I take that a company offering better severance than required by law is taking at least some responsibility.

Taking full responsibility should probably mean change in leadership. People are getting fired for their mistake, why should they also not step down?

I’m indifferent tbh, leadership and investors can do what they want, but “taking full responsibility” is not the same as “feeling bad about firing colleagues”

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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Yes, that means that he takes full responsibility for a mistake, and it wasn't due to other staff, equipment, unforeseen events etc...

What does this mean to him personally though? What are the consequences he faces personally? Lowered salary? Stock taken back? Fired?

You can be responsible for something even if you don't have to face any consequences.

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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I explained the other day to a friend how Prisma looks great but it's very unresponsive on Github [1], specially surprising since they raised a lot of money so I thought they'd have more resources. So he introduced me to the concept of FOSS-washing (in relation to greenwashing). Launch a cool open source piece of software, get big clients and funding thanks to it and then basically ignore Github or just dedicate enough resources to it so that it doesn't seem "dead".

I had seen and complained about this before here in HN, how when Github said they were sunsetting Atom for lack of engagement I pointed out that the lack of engagement was... by them, not a single commit in few years so of course there was no activity [2]

Edit: looking at the Github tracker now, it seems that now they use Github as the main tracking software? So there's a bunch of new issues by internal contributors with "bad description" (meaning it's probably the tip of the iceberg of an internal issue just for tracking, not the typical issue someone finds and reports), but the old ones sit there unanswered.

[1] https://github.com/prisma/prisma/issues/4433

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31670443

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

#158

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> Probably nothing will happen. That's what I'm worried about and that's why I'm calling BS on this. The executive uses big words like "responsibility", I'd like to know what concrete measures are then hidden behind it.

> That's what I'm worried about and that's why I'm calling BS on this. Didn't Microsoft execs put on a lavish party in the eve of announcing firing thousands without notice?

Yes, at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland, no less.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/davos2023/card/microsoft-ho...

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

#159

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Responsibility without consequence is meaningless.

The parent comment just described the meaning. It's not meaningless.

So he didn’t throw a subordinate under the bus. Big whoop.

He still has a job, bonus, and golden parachute. Despite fucking up and hiring way more than needed and upending those lives.

Real responsibility would be leaving in disgrace, or returning his bonus and stock, or something else along those lines.

Re: Prisma laying off 28% staff

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I defaulted to Prisma for edge apps I'm experimenting with (supabase db). Given it's not possible to connect via TCP to a database and I'm stuck with JS/TS for the edge, I opted for Prisma's data proxy and henceforth Prisma. Using the ORM means I'm tied to this mess of an abstraction, migrations and scripts that require so many workarounds and experimentation to make it worthwhile when your app is not a simple CRUD o…

For typesafe queries at the edge I'm using kysely + planetscale over http (look for database.js). The only drawback is collapsing rows into neat objects is slower than Prisma (client written in rust) but I'm mostly writing graphql stuff this days so less of a problem.
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