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Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

EarlKing wrote: post #95
shkkmo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are confused about what "standing" means, it is the "legal capicity to sue". It generally means being directly harmed in a manner that the court can redress with a favorable decision. So it is quite possible that the court will say SPS has standing but decide against them because of the vagueness of the public nuisance law.

No, I'm quite clear about what standing means, thank you. They're predicating their standing on this being a violation of a nuisance statute. I didn't say they don't have standing under that statute, just that the statute is unconstitutionally vague.

> just that the statute is unconstitutionally vague.

Half of your constitution is unconstitutionally vague

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

shaftoe wrote: post #118
vouaobrasil wrote: post #78

I fully support this lawsuit, and I also fully support society taking a stand against algorithmic social media and platforms like YouTube. Moreover, I am saying this as a content creator myself who makes money! The effects of algorithms trained to make the mind addicted are too subtle and too powerful to leave it to individuals to make their own choices about a healthy level of social media use. Moreover, most people…

"The effects of [X] are too subtle and too powerful to leave it to individuals to make their own choices about a healthy level of [X]. Moreover, most people already agree that [X] are not really healthy." I wholeheartedly disagree with the type of argument you are making.

> The effects of [X] are too subtle and too powerful

X is not an inanimate substance like cocaine. Instead it's you playing poker against the house, when they can see your cards. It's you VS a massive spying machine and 100 PHDs in psychology, and they also will illegally use your data on the side.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Post by plantwallshoe »

Auracle wrote: post #79

I don’t doubt that some kids are negatively harmed by social media. However, I’m a photographer that does high school senior shoots. I follow some of my clients, and the amount of support every single teen I’ve looked at gets on everything they post is astounding. It doesn’t matter what they look like, if they post a picture they’ll have dozens or hundreds of comments telling them how gorgeous they are. Even the guys…

Hey I’m just going to throw it out there - it’s weird and kinda creepy for an adult to follow a non-relative teenager on social media for just about any reason.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Post by remarkEon »

b1ue64 wrote: post #137
tempsy wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do two things at once.

You can't do them well if you're incompetent.

I don’t think anyone is imagining that SPS is going to implement social media regulation, it’s asking the courts (and indirectly Congress) to do that.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Post by kube-system »

brianwawok wrote: post #138
LarryMullins wrote: post #125

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Teach kids all you like, however you like, they're not going to stop using social media on their own. It's a digital drug engineered to be addictive, and the kids are already hooked.

Parents control if they get a phone till 18. Generally the more upper class the parent I know, the later they give their kids access. It’s not like kids are born with an iPhone glued to their hand.

Sort of. Kids in the US can get a job and buy their own phone as young as 14.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Post by human_person »

plantwallshoe wrote: post #153
Auracle wrote: post #79

I don’t doubt that some kids are negatively harmed by social media. However, I’m a photographer that does high school senior shoots. I follow some of my clients, and the amount of support every single teen I’ve looked at gets on everything they post is astounding. It doesn’t matter what they look like, if they post a picture they’ll have dozens or hundreds of comments telling them how gorgeous they are. Even the guys…

Hey I’m just going to throw it out there - it’s weird and kinda creepy for an adult to follow a non-relative teenager on social media for just about any reason.

I disagree. It can certainly be creepy but cross generational friendships are not inherently creepy or bad. Meeting people where they socialize is a key part of friendship.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

LarryMullins wrote: post #120
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems completely wrong to me that every app should have a legal obligation to track the location of children to find out if they are at school. To me the whole enterprise is totalitarian, but if I were trying to build a solution, it would look something like this: 1) Add a school control mode to the devices, similar to existing parental control mode. In this mode the school can block categories of content or usage…

> It seems completely wrong to me that every app should have a legal obligation to track the location of children to find out if they are at school. Start with the big social media apps, then work from there if the general problem persists (I think it won't.)

From what I’ve heard from relatives, a big portion of what the kids are doing on their phones these days is just messaging in iMessage/sms group chats.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Post by ashwagary »

LarryMullins wrote: post #100
zdragnar wrote: post #87

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Every school system sets its own vacation days, and home schooled kids don't share the same set hours or days as the local school districts. I don't doubt that the harms are real, but I do suspect that you are putting an unreasonable burden on tik tok here. What I'm actually most curious about is when did schools start letting kids have cell phones during the school day? I was in school roughly just before smart phon…

> Every school system sets its own vacation days, You're missing the part where TikTok knows where their users are, and know when a thousand kids are clustered together inside of a known school building in the middle of the day in the middle of the week. It's not rocket science to figure out those kids are in school. They know it. > home schooled kids The inability to perfectly know when a kid might be "in school" do…

>They could easily detect it most of the time, and probably do, but choose to serve those kids anyway.

Seems ridiculous to push this responsibility on companies and app engineers. It isn't society's job to child proof the world for distracted children. Parents and guardians have to take the reigns and deal with discipline issues directly.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Post by philwelch »

xrd wrote: post #4

So far, two comments saying this is grandstanding by the school board. If you replace social media with drugs and high schoolers with homeless people, wouldn't it be more typical for people to be saying that elected officials aren't doing ANYTHING! What's the difference? I have read enough to know that these social media companies are employing behavioral scientists that are attempting to make their products addictiv…

If homeless people were legally confined in some government-run institution and were able to use drugs inside that institution, how would you react? I would react by saying that the government institution that confines our homeless people is doing a shitty job. I also say SPS is doing a shitty job.

Re: Seattle Public Schools sues TikTok, YouTube, Instagram over youth mental health

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Post by psychphysic »

DueDilligence wrote: post #20

.. as a Seattle dad .. I fucking love this awkward yet clearly precedent-setting case. I know most of the board and the majority of us are fed up and taking the power we have to task and accountability. This has been in the works for over four years and we know the end game: new laws, adopted by other cities and states. .. it’s been a clearly focused project for over 4 years now. One of my friends is on the board. I…

> A bevy of mental health experts are core to this - so due diligence.

He said the name of ~the movie~ himself!

I'm certain that social media is contributing to worse outcomes with those at risk of mental health issues. But what can be done about it?

It's like trying to keep your kids from mixing with the wrong crowd.

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