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Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

TheRealPomax wrote: post #73
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well.. yeah. If you bough a samsung phone, and it was full of shitty adware and preinstalled apps, would you expect their tablets, smart tvs and fridges to be any different? And are they?

Yes? And yes? You're asking this like it's a bizarre thing to do, but that's how you think about consumer goods as adult: if you dismiss an entire brand conglomerate because of a single product line, that's an incredibly weird way to think about products. If Samsung phones are bad, don't buy (another) Samsung phone. But when you need a dish washer, and reviews say that Samsung's is the best bang for your buck, their…

But if samsung put ads and bloatware on their phones... won't they put them on TVs too?

Oh wait, they do:

https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/co5aw4/unrem...

What about on smart fridges?

Oh wait.. they do that too:

https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/yr80x3/my_smar...

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

#152

Post by 2143 »

Tor3 wrote: post #25
vasqw wrote: post #12

I bought one of those recently and I was surprised by how inaccurate it was. It drifted like 15 seconds every month. From what I've been reading, that is normal, but I was surprised - with all the technological advances that we have it is odd to think that cheap timekeeping is not a solved problem yet! Also: how is the software of these watches without a CPU designed? Is it something like Verilog or whatever?

At around 1976-1977 I bought one of those fancy new LED wristwatches, where you pressed a button and the time lit up in red. Straight out of James Bond, as I recall. As I was studying electronics at the time I brought the watch to the lab and opened it and connected a frequency counter to the oscillator, you could clearly see the crystal and a little trimming pot (I don't remember by now if that was a pot or somethin…

> the bus is there exactly on time

What's winter like in Japan? Is it freezing?

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Post by TheRealPomax »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #151
TheRealPomax wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes? And yes? You're asking this like it's a bizarre thing to do, but that's how you think about consumer goods as adult: if you dismiss an entire brand conglomerate because of a single product line, that's an incredibly weird way to think about products. If Samsung phones are bad, don't buy (another) Samsung phone. But when you need a dish washer, and reviews say that Samsung's is the best bang for your buck, their…

But if samsung put ads and bloatware on their phones... won't they put them on TVs too? Oh wait, they do: https://old.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/co5aw4/unrem... What about on smart fridges? Oh wait.. they do that too: https://old.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/yr80x3/my_smar...

Good: you did your research and discovered that Samsung's a mostly shit company. We already knew this of course, that was the whole point of using Samsung as example for "do your homework first, then judge the company".

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Post by TheRealPomax »

moistly wrote: post #109
TheRealPomax wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes? And yes? You're asking this like it's a bizarre thing to do, but that's how you think about consumer goods as adult: if you dismiss an entire brand conglomerate because of a single product line, that's an incredibly weird way to think about products. If Samsung phones are bad, don't buy (another) Samsung phone. But when you need a dish washer, and reviews say that Samsung's is the best bang for your buck, their…

I just want to note here that Samsung refrigerators and dishwashers are absolute shit and should be avoided like the plague. Also, their stoves are pretty crap, too, with a self-clean option that destroys the motherboard and blowers. You'll have a hard time convincing me that their design and manufacturing issues are not endemic across their entire company. Fish rots from the head, etc.

Much like the other commenter: yep, Samsung's not a good company, making it all the more appropriate to use as example for "judge the company on all its products, not just one".

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Post by TheRealPomax »

herbst wrote: post #147
TheRealPomax wrote: post #64

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This is a somewhat weird: do you judge Sony headphones by how good Sony cameras are, too? Or Samsung phones on how good their TVs are? Because how good a Casio calculator or rice cooker is, is entirely independent of how good their watches are? This seems to be backwards: you judge a brand based on how all its products perform, and if the balance tips towards "most are shit" then it's a shit brand. A brand making lot…

Samsung is the perfect example actually. Their TVs ship with a weird Android that breaks half of the Vanilla Android features. So do their Phones and Watches. Recently I got a new dishwasher and wasn't surprised to read that the controls of Samsung dishwashers can be somewhat weird and quality is questionable as well.

Yes, that was the point of using Samsung as example: judge the brand on all their products. Samsung is a terrible company, because all their products are pretty terrible. Not because "their phones are".

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Post by chinabot »

vasqw wrote: post #12

I bought one of those recently and I was surprised by how inaccurate it was. It drifted like 15 seconds every month. From what I've been reading, that is normal, but I was surprised - with all the technological advances that we have it is odd to think that cheap timekeeping is not a solved problem yet! Also: how is the software of these watches without a CPU designed? Is it something like Verilog or whatever?

It will be calibrated for room temperature, temperature changes do affect the oscillator frequency that is why highly accurate frequency sources have an "Oven" to keep the temperature stable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oven

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

#157

Post by post-it »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #142
post-it wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the React Native debugger is broken on my Pixel because the time is different from my laptop by ~0.5 s, so short taps register as long presses or something like that.

If it's comparing times from two different devices, then it's not broken because of the difference in times .

If it's broken because the designer assumed any two devices would have a sub-second time difference, it's still broken.

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

#158

Post by Brian_K_White »

post-it wrote: post #157
Brian_K_White wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's comparing times from two different devices, then it's not broken because of the difference in times .

If it's broken because the designer assumed any two devices would have a sub-second time difference, it's still broken.

Yes my point was to say that it's broken.

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

#159

Post by peter303 »

panza wrote: post #94
low_tech_punk wrote: post #90

From the business/design/technology POV, why is this watch so successful and so iconic?

It's durable, keeps good time, battery lasts 7-10 years, clear display, thin and light. It's incredible value for $15-25. Deserves to be as popular as it is.

I have probably ten- not precisely the same model- in the past thirty years. Most common failure is strap breaks after taking the watch off for swimming every other day. Second most failure is to shatter a corner due sports- hit my wrist on something. Third is a humidity leak when I visit the US South in the summer.

Re: Casio-F-91W die-shot

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Post by post-it »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #158
post-it wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's broken because the designer assumed any two devices would have a sub-second time difference, it's still broken.

Yes my point was to say that it's broken.

Oh I see, I misunderstood initially but I got it when rereading.
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