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You might have just stumbled upon the Ozic secret of the Silicon Valley. Most of the guys who have made it rich so far did so on the ideas of others (while those who had grand ideas didn’t ship them). When a core tenet is making things other people want, you tend to uplift folks who have no great thoughts of their own to sell. I can imagine an Orwellian doublespeakessay on Steve Jobs called, “Saying No As The Only Ac…
> the Ozic secret Can you expand on the origin of this? I tried googling, but it failed me.
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#152Imagine a proxy that sat between your web browser and the internet, transparently recording to your local storage everything you've ever seen, in context. Imagine Google, back when it still worked, able to search ONLY the stuff you've already seen. That would be incredibly useful. A decade or so ago, there was an intriguing story on Slashdot about a covert operation prior to Desert Storm that simply recorded the wave…
It records everything you've seen, said, or heard, and lets you search it
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#153> In practice 95% of the use cases ... unbundled into disjoint apps, and the lack of centralization and cross-app hyperlinking has no real negative effects.
The reverse is also true; 95% of the use cases of disparate apps can be covered by a single app and your filesystem. You can keep your notes, journal, todo list, so on, in Notepad. nano for those who use Linux. I mean, why not? Use your filesystem to navigate things, and shortcuts to things that don't fit neatly in a category.
Do you really need Todoist to do what you can do in a plaintext file?
Now, this isn't an attempt to mock the OP. I don't disagree with most of the points they are trying to make. But most of the premises, while well thought out, are a bit flawed.
> long-form study notes are a form of procrastination.
It's the first step to taking notes. You need to distill them into chunks that you can review for later. It's rarely meant to be kept in its initial form.
> Contacts: if you have a page for a person ... use Google Contacts or a spreadsheet.
Or a text file with their name.
> Fiction Writing ... using git for version control makes a lot more sense ...
A git folder with text files.
> Organizing Legal Documents ... a few spreadsheets is all it takes in practice.
Or a folder with PDFs.
> Lists: of things ... Spreadsheets work just fine for this ...
A collection of text files is fine.
> Collection Management: this is an area where the software solutions are strangely very lacking. ...
Nope, text files.
> I need tags, that is: I need a database.
Ah, that's what OP wants. A database to Do All the Things. Seems like OP just wants a better Excel. Sorry, my cynicism was showing.
(as for Collection Management, why not a spreadsheet? It's the same problem).
I use Obsidian, and before that, I use Emacs, VimWiki, LogSeq, Roam, Dendron, etc. I find it fun - it's a hobby of mine. What I find fascinating is the myriad of ways people have come up to solve this problem, and of course, this problem space has no end of salesman.
At the end of the day, I find Obsidian as a "pretty text editor with a really fast search" useful currently. I keep my tasks in there, because 95% of my "tasks" are just text files. I leverage a plugin (Tasks) to let me sort it by date and one that lets me put it anywhere I want. (So I don't have to figure out where it belongs)
> but a nicer UI ... the UI trumps the features ... is about building a habit, for which good UX is necessary.
Exactly. Obsidian themes have a pretty UX and the plugins make plain-text a nicer UX. Tomorrow, I might switch to LibreOffice because, why not?
I use the filesystem for everything else, and for things that don't fit neatly in a category? Hard links, if it makes sense. I find that trying to collect everything and organize everything is a rabbit hole in and of itself.
It's the same problem that hoarders have in meatspace , and rich people solve by buying bigger places.
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#154> Pointlessness of Organization: my Calibre and Zotero libraries are a mess. But is that bad? Is there any point to organizing them? I can always find what I need, either by searching or browsing, because I have a spatial sense of where each book is in Calibre’s big grid view. If I went through everything in Calibre and Zotero, and fixed the titles, added missing authors, publishers, publication years, fixed the cove…
For sure. I get the appeal of Having Everything Organized. It's conceptually compelling. But I think the right way to look at it is in terms of minimizing total cost of retrieval and filing. As an example, take physical paper. Receipts, bills, anything that ends up in one's mailbox and doesn't immediately get recycled. I used to oscillate between two approaches: over-elaborate filing systems and just ignoring the pro…
This is what I do. Things organize themselves organically this way - the important stuff bubbles to the top, and the rest is already sorted by linear time.
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#155My non-obvious observation after five years in this field: In essence, journalling is similar to a psychotherapy session. The clarity of mind you get after a journalling session comes from structuring things in your head, not in your TfT tool. Yet, as one would expect, people project that feeling onto a tool — which leads to more time invested. Ultimately after the N-th session, when you try to use the tool to get mo…
Thus why I journal. I don't do it daily, but when I do, it gets my thoughts out and I find that once they are out, it just helps to put words to something that you might be feeling.. well, isn't that what you pay a therapist for, right?
Our tools differ, but our end goal is more or less the same. I keep it as simple as possible, because as you said, burnout is real.
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#156This was the bit that got me: > People have this aspirational idea of building a vast, oppressively colossal, deeply interlinked knowledge graph to the point that it almost mirrors every discrete concept and memory in their brain. And I get the appeal of maximalism. But they’re counting on the wrong side of the ledger. Every node in your knowledge graph is a debt. Every link doubly so.
One idea suggested by Antinet Zettelkasten is to set up an analog system that acts as a "second brain." Interacting with these boxes of notecards is supposed to be a form of discourse, enabling surprising associations and strengthening existing memories. The argument against a digital form is that this kind of interaction occurs at a neural level that just is impossible without deliberate reflection of handwritten ma…
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#157One criticism I have of the TfT/PKM space (as a member of it) is it often puts too much onus on the tool or system you use. The human element is often diminished in favor of replicating our brains in our notes. So instead of making connections in your mind while using the TfT app as an external thought workspace, we put this extra process on top to make the TfT system a replication of our brains in and of itself. For…
I like linking, but I don't try and link all the things(tm). They exist to refer me to another file that I might need to look at from this one file. Sure, I could open my file manager and open the correct file but then I have to look at two files open.
Another issue is I see often is people trying to make the system more than what it's capable of. Most PKM apps are not file managers - use your actual file manager for that. No, you don't need to link to that PDF in a note (except maybe, when you're referring to it for research purposes).
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#158My two golden rules of note taking: 1) taking notes is superior to not taking notes. It structures your thoughts and helps you think. The actual note is of less value than the process of writing it. 2) beware the productivity tarpit. It’s fun to jump on the next blog post about how to get your obsidian setup right, but moving your notes from setup a to setup b generates only few insights (when you re read a note long…
I agree. But... one benefit I've gotten from movement is refinement - I learn what I need and don't need, and refine my process.
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#159So he is Ok with unbundling everything but collections. What is a collection? What makes todos and contacts special, but not, say, movies or books ? I don't think The line is so clear cut. He has a point though: We need better "generic no-code" Database software. Some features of calibre (like the hierarchical tags) make me wish I could use it for many other types (and it does not work well). The same for Zotero (and…
This works out of box in Obsidian. I use it often.
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#160I was sparked on this “one graph” idea real hard when I learned about graph databases (which I still say has one of the biggest marketing hurdles to overcome since graph and database mean very specific and well-rooted things) and I will say something that was a blind spot until recently: Neurotypical people don’t normally think in terms of connections. Many of my peers (ended up interviewing probably 100 of them) for…
I think you just described mappers vs packers, a theme in the programmer's stone.[1] [1] https://wiki.c2.com/?MappersVsPackers