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Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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I’ve seen this on IP lookups I’ve done when roaming - surely this is a bad idea for latency? What’s the motivation? Why would they cripple performance further by proxying to an endpoint that could be half away around the world.

This is especially infuriating as a European visiting the US, where a bunch of services are geo-fenced to American IPs. In several towns, I couldn't pay for parking or buy a bus ticket because the online service is geo-fenced and there's no brick-and-mortar alternative anymore. They also restrict apps in the play store or whatever to US accounts. I had to buy a cheap SIM card to get around all that. It's insane.

I feel that, geo-fencing is so annoying, got so tired of it.

I ended up just running Mullvad 24/7 on a server then running a proxy server that selectively proxies websites via Mullvad's proxies

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#153

Why is nobody giving slack to the horrible UK laws but instead go on how bad ThreeUK is. This is a prime example why traffic filtering breaks the internet and causes unfair advantage.

because it isn't happening on other providers evidently.

That doesn't mean anything. This same shit can happen on any provider in the UK.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#154
post #89

The great British firewall, starts here, ends where? As I understand, the lists are maintained per carrier but implemented based on UK regulation. I still find it baffling that despite giving extensive personal information (ID/Passport, bill as proof of address, credit score) to get a mobile contract for an adult, this is opt-out with no questions asked (for example "do you wish to enable/disable this feature?" when…

Providing they allowed your request, you should have called the next day "Right, thanks. Now who do i need to ask to browse 9GAG on my way home?"

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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post #6

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It is not the job of an ISP to decide what is fraudulent and what is not. They should be a dumb pipe between services and people.

That is not really true, ISPs are relied on by non-technical customers who have neither the personal chops nor a 24/7 technical assistant to help them. Whether ISPs succeed in any way is an entirely different ballgame, but this is absolutely the job of the ISP, especially in their role of email provider. Its ability to properly discriminate and aggressively block or plonk messages isvery much one of the reasons peopl…

> Whether ISPs succeed in any way is an entirely different ballgame, but this is absolutely the job of the ISP, especially in their role of email provider.

They aren't providing email in this example, as far as I can tell. They're providing internet access to an email service. Or they should be.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#156
From their website:

"Regardless of what is causing the issue, this shows why net neutrality is so important for internet users and online services alike."

For the UK that ship already sailed given its enshrined in law that ISPs have to block adult sites unless you register with the government.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#157
post #96

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> A VPN is essential to defend yourself from the jackbooted UK government. I tend to agree. Unfortunately even VPN doesn't entirely solve it though. On the one hand wiregaurd makes this feel far more transparent and comfortable technically compared to how it used to with old fashioned crappy TCP over TCP style VPN... instead we now get low overhead, low latency, native, simple configuration etc. The only problem is t…

>it's like wtf leave it alone guys, we are not in north Korea we will eventually get everything they have in NK/China/Russia/Iran, under a thin veneer of being done for our own good and accompanied by a mass media campaign that will convince a sizeable population of useful idiots to accept it all. the venerable western democracies hate and fear dissent as much as those loathsome dictators do

> the venerable western democracies hate and fear dissent as much as those loathsome dictators do

Who specifically hate and fear dissent in western democracies, and what's the mechanism against that?

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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post #126

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I agree it's good you can test. To add, if you want to try O2, there's GiffGaff/TescoMobile and if you want to try EE there's 1pm Mobile and EE offers PAYG sims as well. I have 5g internet at home, tested every network and EE was miles faster than anyone else even though I live close to all the towers. I did find that going on a contract was alot cheaper than PAYG, and it's the only way to get unlimited data on EE. S…

I think technically EE probably is the better network, it's just unfortunate that their customer service is hell on earth. If you get a sim that actually works from the start, i guess you are lucky. Just pray you are not unfortunate enough to ever have to deal with their customer support for any real technical fuckup at their end... they burned so much of my time I can never go back. I bought a 24 month unlimited con…

I feel you; it's a pain.

Tbh, Three was even worse when I rang, I just got a call centre in India, and they can never help you.

Does suck about EE for you. I've had a few issues, but they are okay with giving me credit. They messed up my discount on my latest contract, so they gave me a recurring discount of £5 on my contract and added like 3 months of credit on.

I also had an issue with BT (which I assume is the same call centre as EE). They never gave us the signup bonus (free soundbar). I waited six months, got the ombudsman involved, and someone high up gave me a call. They instantly realised it was pretty messed up. So, in the end, I ended up getting a Soundbar, and like £300 back in credit, so I had free internet for most of the contract, then cancelled as soon as I moved house.

But if it happens to you, always hint you don't want to get the ombudsman involved, and they will suddenly get their crap together.

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

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post #157

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>it's like wtf leave it alone guys, we are not in north Korea we will eventually get everything they have in NK/China/Russia/Iran, under a thin veneer of being done for our own good and accompanied by a mass media campaign that will convince a sizeable population of useful idiots to accept it all. the venerable western democracies hate and fear dissent as much as those loathsome dictators do

> the venerable western democracies hate and fear dissent as much as those loathsome dictators do Who specifically hate and fear dissent in western democracies, and what's the mechanism against that?

>Who specifically hate and fear dissent in western democracies

the people and entities in power

>what's the mechanism against that?

disarming the population

Re: Threeuk is blocking Tutanota

#160

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The question is one of ratio, and false positives versus false negatives. If 90% of tutanota-orginated emails are fraudulent, tutanota is an excellent fraud indicator, even though it will block legitimate emails. If 10% of gmail-originated emails are fraudulent, gmail is a terrible fraud indicator, even though it will let fraudulent emails pass through, possibly more than the count of fraudulent emails coming from tu…

But if you block Tutanota the fraudsters will just switch to Gmail, and all you accomplished is that you inconvenienced legit Tutanota users. I wonder why so many companies drag their feet when implementing actually useful anti-fraud measures (like supporting Verified-by-Visa) and instead block random email providers.

> But if you block Tutanota the fraudsters will just switch to Gmail

Yet for some reason they're not already using gmail, meaning as far as frausters are concerned there is a benefit to using tutanota.

> and all you accomplished is that you inconvenienced legit Tutanota users.

No what you've accomplished is reduce tutanota fraud to 0, and inconvenienced frausters.

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