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Re: Spotifyd

#151

Maybe I'm missing something but why don't more ppl just built their own (web-based?) media player and drop-in mp3s and mp4s...? It's not that difficult and is easily hosted on a server available anywhere behind a basic authenication gate. This solutions is esp. useful if you have any NAS setup. What's the rationale for not building homebrew media players instead of railing against Spotify...?

For me it's not about the playback. It's about curated playlist, suggestion and discovery.

And especially Spotify does this extremely well.

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#153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just one minor tweak of what plays next can totally rip off independent artists on the platform. We have reached an era where algorithms aren't transparent, so artists like me are bewildered that for all the promoting we do on our own music, we rarely get any views and listens unless we literally spend thousands of dollars on advertising to break the visibility barrier... For example, if I tweet a link to my own song…

I feel like promoting your own music has always been a massively uphill struggle, and the successful ones still got there by playing hundreds upon hundreds of shows. There's a huge element of luck too, who happens to hear you, whether or not you strike some chord with the public in some way. But mainly, it's just hard work. Many artists took a very long time, playing shows in small venues for years, building up local…

With the use of easy websites and services to create a song, everyone can create a song. Ultimately, there are 2 factors which make a song "successful":

1. market desire: What are people listening to today? What genres of music are in "demand" right now? 2. experience: If someone who has been learning music theory for the past 7 years and then works on a song, the likely outcome is that the song will sound better than someone creating a song with no experience.

Re: Spotifyd

#154

Always great to see new ways to integrate with Spotify. I think that if you're paying for a Spotify Premium subscription you should be able to stream music wherever you want! However Spotify doesn't agree. If this is based on librespot its using stuff Spotify doesn't support and could easily shut down for unauthorized clients any time. Their supported paths are iOS and Android SDKs for mobile, and the Web Playback SD…

At the end of the day, services such as Spotify want to make profits too. I guess we can't blame them for not getting carried away and displaying ads on their website.

Greed is possibly the most common human emotion in the world.

Re: Spotifyd

#156
As an alternative to Spotify - I've been working on TidalFS as a way to mount Tidal like a local filesystem. You can then use literally any music player to play your music as if it was all local files. You can even search.

https://github.com/bjesus/tidalfs

Re: Spotifyd

#157

Maybe I'm missing something but why don't more ppl just built their own (web-based?) media player and drop-in mp3s and mp4s...? It's not that difficult and is easily hosted on a server available anywhere behind a basic authenication gate. This solutions is esp. useful if you have any NAS setup. What's the rationale for not building homebrew media players instead of railing against Spotify...?

So I need to purchase the MP3's in order to do this? Then I need to spend time on other web sites for music discovery?

This would work if you almost never venture outside of your existing music catalog. If that's you, it's probably also a better financial decision to just purchase your own music in stead of 'renting' it.

According to my 'Wrapped' I listened to 4600 different songs this year, from 3000 artists. Most of them I discovered because of Spotify. So for me, Spotify is very much worth it and I would not be able to self host anything to give me near the value that Spotify adds. And I can't even contemplate pirating all these songs, since I find that morally wrong because the paid services (for music) are decently affordable and provide good value.

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#158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just one minor tweak of what plays next can totally rip off independent artists on the platform. We have reached an era where algorithms aren't transparent, so artists like me are bewildered that for all the promoting we do on our own music, we rarely get any views and listens unless we literally spend thousands of dollars on advertising to break the visibility barrier... For example, if I tweet a link to my own song…

I feel like promoting your own music has always been a massively uphill struggle, and the successful ones still got there by playing hundreds upon hundreds of shows. There's a huge element of luck too, who happens to hear you, whether or not you strike some chord with the public in some way. But mainly, it's just hard work. Many artists took a very long time, playing shows in small venues for years, building up local…

> the successful ones still got there by playing hundreds upon hundreds of shows... it's just hard work.

This is the vision of the music industry we all would like to have. Hard work, pluckiness, some element of luck and "striking a chord" with the public and you, too, can be a success! It is a dangerous fallacy that drives many musicians into the trap the top comment is complaining about.

The reality is a lot uglier.

Ever since large music conglomerates conquered (integrated) the entire promotion/publishing/distribution/sales stack in the 70s/80s, becoming successful in music has been about fighting giants on their home turf. That's AFTER you beat the odds by getting a label A&R person (or the contemporary equivalent) to like you. The markets, gatekeepers, processes, and legal agreements are all set up to screw you, hard, because every one of those is run by a different face of the same multi-billion dollar company with serious lawyer and lobbying budgets, and you're a small entity with no legal budget (and probably no experience).

This was the very successful industry profit model for decades before the Internet, and the generations of executives since then have been focused on regaining that regulatory and legal positioning in the "new industry".

These two famous articles explain the structure of the pre/early internet music indistry very clearly: Steve Albini (famous music producer) wrote "the problem with music" in 1993[1], and Courtney Love "did the math" [2] of how an impossibly good record deal would work out for the artist in 2000. They're enetertaining and interesting reads. Every step along that journey, think of the modern music industry equivalent, and you'll find it is facing (or has already lost) exactly the battle the top comment is bemoaning with Spotify. The large players are working hard to achieve the vertical integration and control they once had, and it is working.

[1] https://mpg.org.uk/knowledge-bank/the-problem-with-music-by-...

[2] https://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/

I should note: there is no board of shadowy figures out to screw artists. This is natural dynamics of any labor market with a persistent glut. The buyer controls the price, and if it's a market where the sellers are passionate and driven to sell because they believe "it just takes hard work and luck", they will lower the price indefinitely... until they are even taking on predatory debt just to get their product out there.

Please stop spreading the myth that "it just takes hard work." It convinces too many good people to walk into an exploitative industry and thank their exploiters for the screwing. What it actually takes, is relentlessly beating giant megacorps at their own game. Most of the famous ones are actively getting screwed for the privilege of riding on a tour bus. There is a lot that music fans can do to help the musicians they love, and it starts with understanding the musician's fight.

Re: Spotifyd

#159

Maybe I'm missing something but why don't more ppl just built their own (web-based?) media player and drop-in mp3s and mp4s...? It's not that difficult and is easily hosted on a server available anywhere behind a basic authenication gate. This solutions is esp. useful if you have any NAS setup. What's the rationale for not building homebrew media players instead of railing against Spotify...?

Well, you need mp3s and mp4s to drop. Spotify and similar are more convenient than downloading music in various places (legal or not), to rip CDs, or to digitalise your analog audio (tape, vinyls,…).

Re: Spotifyd

#160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like promoting your own music has always been a massively uphill struggle, and the successful ones still got there by playing hundreds upon hundreds of shows. There's a huge element of luck too, who happens to hear you, whether or not you strike some chord with the public in some way. But mainly, it's just hard work. Many artists took a very long time, playing shows in small venues for years, building up local…

> the successful ones still got there by playing hundreds upon hundreds of shows... it's just hard work. This is the vision of the music industry we all would like to have. Hard work, pluckiness, some element of luck and "striking a chord" with the public and you, too, can be a success! It is a dangerous fallacy that drives many musicians into the trap the top comment is complaining about. The reality is a lot uglier…

When I realized this about 1990-ish after reading some contracts that they had to sign, I completely stopped buying music from stores. The only music I bought since then was directly from the (small) artists.
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