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Post by ben7799 »

naravara wrote: post #94
ben7799 wrote: post #83

It's funny people are still learning this, but I guess some are younger. I have hundreds of CDs I started buying about 1992 or 1993 and did a big project at one point making MP3s and early on in the iTunes/iPod era they found their way into iTunes. I started playing around with MP3 Layer 2 and then Layer 3 around 1995-1996, but at that time it was still prohibitive to try and store your whole collection as hard drive…

Vinyl isn't making a comeback because of mastering or fidelity issues. It's making a comeback because people like the ritual of putting a disc on a platter and having to focus on listening to it. It's a different form of engagement with the music than the endless, pre-curated stream of singles that are the default way of using streaming services.

Both are relevant for me.

It's about focusing on the listening, but in some cases many albums are getting better masters on vinyl than any other format. It's technically stupid but it is what it is.

What's so stupid about the audiophile aspect of vinyl is most of the new ones I bought are dirty. You have to clean them right out of the package if you want them to sound good. Something is very sloppy about production right now. CDs are about a million times more robust.

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Post by the-rc »

knaik94 wrote: post #147
the-rc wrote: post #43

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When GPM launched, there was definitely no deduplication in place. Even if two users uploaded the same file, there would be two copies — more if you count replication and RS-encoding. It was so because... somebody ordered so. Perhaps things changed later, but I'm skeptical, because the "somebodies" never change. Also, as recently as a couple of years ago, I noticed broken metadata/cover art in my library that I actua…

I know for a fact that YTM still has poor metadata support, the only way to fix it is to reupload the entire file. That's a huge reason why I moved to a self hosted solution. I know there were multiple cases where the metadata was wrong and two separate versions of a song were tagged as the same track. But I never lost any data. I would recommend doing a takeout and exporting all the songs if possible. I have to imag…

> I have to imagine Google HAS to dedup on the server side

It's been a decade since I helped with GPM storage, but one thing I can say is that Google won't dedup anything without the OK from lawyers on _both_ sides, with all the consequences that ensue. Somebody could turn this and similar launches into a TV show, but it wouldn't be as funny as Silicon Valley. On the contrary...

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Post by ben7799 »

drukenemo wrote: post #132
ben7799 wrote: post #83

It's funny people are still learning this, but I guess some are younger. I have hundreds of CDs I started buying about 1992 or 1993 and did a big project at one point making MP3s and early on in the iTunes/iPod era they found their way into iTunes. I started playing around with MP3 Layer 2 and then Layer 3 around 1995-1996, but at that time it was still prohibitive to try and store your whole collection as hard drive…

I also have a few LPs but no turntable. Which one do you have, if I mays ask?

I have a mid-range Audio Technica one, the LPW40WN. Good enough for me, the quality of the actual LP you put on a record player seems vastly more important relative to the player than it does for a CD.

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Post by Someone »

Hizonner wrote: post #65
null_object wrote: post #46

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> Are Dark Patterns the fault of the user or the company But you - and supposedly the other people downvoting me - don’t seem to realize that absolutely nothing has happened to the user’s original files. They simply misunderstood how to sync files to their other devices.

The user was led to expect that their data would be in Apple Music. At that point, it would be completely reasonable for them to delete all copies of the files themselves in the understanding that Apple Music would actually absorb and retain the content it claimed to have imported.

“Was led to expect” or “expected”? It may be the former, but I don’t see any clear evidence for that in this page.

The case that Apple led users to believe that, for me, would require showing what they tell users when you allow Apple Music to sync with your old iTunes library.

Do they even use the word “Sync”? I wouldn’t know, and AFAICT this page doesn’t tell me.

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Post by relaxing »

ben7799 wrote: post #153
drukenemo wrote: post #132

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I also have a few LPs but no turntable. Which one do you have, if I mays ask?

I have a mid-range Audio Technica one, the LPW40WN. Good enough for me, the quality of the actual LP you put on a record player seems vastly more important relative to the player than it does for a CD.

Agreed. The Audio-Technica lower end range are great for those who aren't already heavily invested in hifi equipment. The make them pretty much plug and play - no need to worry about a phono preamp as it's built in the deck.

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Post by alphabettsy »

everyone wrote: post #143
alphabettsy wrote: post #44

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Why should I detest things that usually serve their intended purpose really well? I actually like macOS on my MacBook Pro, I don’t have to tinker with it to keep it working like my Linux desktop. I’ve been frustrated with iOS but I originally switched because I was tired of my phone being randomly off or otherwise having some unexpected behavior causing it to be unreliable. I can understand why other people prefer Wi…

I'll explain my POV. Getting Linux setup the way u want is work, but at least you can set it up the way you want. With macOS for example there are plenty of things that should be trivial do to on a computer that are made impossible or extremely difficult because the bean counters at apple want it that way. That type of thing is just an affront to me. Another way of putting it would be macos is designed to do what app…

And that’s fine.

For my needs, I can’t think of anything my Linux desktop does that my Mac cannot.

Why is it so hard, to the point of being mystifying, to understand that others have a different opinion?

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Post by johnwalkr »

baby wrote: post #69
jrmg wrote: post #37

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Apple Music includes the old iTunes Match features It does not - it’s a separate subscription, though you can use both at once. [Edit: maybe I’m wrong? See ensuing discussion below.]

^ this. I pay for both services

They happily let you pay for both even though Apple music includes the functionality. I recently found this out when I moved, and had to escalate at apple support to get them to cancel the remaining 6 months of my itunes match subscription and everything kept working via Apple Music.[0]

[0]Because you can't change regions while having an active subscription. Normally you are blocked from doing so but apparently if you use family sharing, the head of the family can change regions and your account will be broken.

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Post by baby »

johnwalkr wrote: post #157
baby wrote: post #69

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^ this. I pay for both services

They happily let you pay for both even though Apple music includes the functionality. I recently found this out when I moved, and had to escalate at apple support to get them to cancel the remaining 6 months of my itunes match subscription and everything kept working via Apple Music.[0] [0]Because you can't change regions while having an active subscription. Normally you are blocked from doing so but apparently if yo…

Last time I checked I still needed match to upload my own library that doesn’t exist in apple music

Re: Apple Music deletes your original songs and replaces them with DRM'd versions

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Post by johnwalkr »

robomartin wrote: post #78

I haven’t used Apple Music (various applications and incarnations) for a very long time, going back to iPod days. One of the most annoying things was the inability to play an album as recorded. If I want to listen to Mozart’s Requiem, Bach’s Brandenburg Concerto or Pink Floyd’s The Wall, I need to be able to listen to the tracks in the order they are intended. Last I checked this was still impossible. My entire libra…

I've was going to say I've encountered this problem in the nearly 20 years I've been using itunes. But actually I remember back in the day it happening a few times with downloaded mp3s, if metadata for track was missing or if there were typos in some of the metadata (for artist for example).

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Post by steponlego »

naravara wrote: post #94
ben7799 wrote: post #83

It's funny people are still learning this, but I guess some are younger. I have hundreds of CDs I started buying about 1992 or 1993 and did a big project at one point making MP3s and early on in the iTunes/iPod era they found their way into iTunes. I started playing around with MP3 Layer 2 and then Layer 3 around 1995-1996, but at that time it was still prohibitive to try and store your whole collection as hard drive…

Vinyl isn't making a comeback because of mastering or fidelity issues. It's making a comeback because people like the ritual of putting a disc on a platter and having to focus on listening to it. It's a different form of engagement with the music than the endless, pre-curated stream of singles that are the default way of using streaming services.

Vinyl just sounds better and most people can tell. Also discourages copying.
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