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Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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What the heck subscription models are you using? In my experience the software gets broken over time and you can't do anything about it, including RUN THE OLD VERSION WHICH WORKED. There's no longer as much incentive for companies to improve because they'll get paid anyway instead of payment being contingent on actually delivering something useful. Yes subscription models are good for developers, no this doesn't make…

Not the OP, but I have to disagree too. Creative Cloud, IntelliJ, Figma, Google Workspace, Postman, Spotify, Vercel, Adguard, Google storage space, Alltrails, 1password.. They're all subscriptions and getting better all the time. Meanwhile it's the old purchased software like Windows and Office that get worse with every version.

> Creative Cloud … all subscriptions and getting better all the time.

I may be an atypical user—I'm definitely sub-power user in this domain—but everything Adobe has got worse for me since moving to "Creative Cloud".

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Yes, and the only practical answer is to consider how many of these subscriptions you actually need. For instance, I see no reason why a password manager should be a SaaS. I don't care how long these companies have been around thusfar; in my opinion, using a password manager as-a-service is asking for trouble and is a waste of money. The closer you approach "perfect" security, the more of your personal security you e…

> why a password manager should be a SaaS While I fully agree with you, how do you sync passwords across my 3 laptops and 3 phones without a SaaS offering? While I don't use this feature, but it is common for ppl to share an account. How can I securely share credentials with family members?

Syncing? Just load it onto some cloud storage provider you already have. That’s what 1Password used for years before they decided to go the subscription route. It worked great.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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My thoughts on this are two-fold. Firstly, people need to earn money for their work. The age of ad-based revenue sharing never really worked and created un-usable experiences in various app-stores of the world.

With the decline in digital advertising, revenues for BigTech will go down therefore, the revenue for companies depending on such services will decline accordingly.

We operate stakepools that have introduced a really smart and effective way to introduce a monetary layer into content and services online. They sit on top of treasuries that pay out every 5 days and this concept is really nice and works well.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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yep. is the problem with capitalism. if you are not growing in profits then you are dying. the happiness of the people be damned.

This exact behavior drives planned obsolescence. This has led to so much waste over past century that it's going to be very hard to go back. I was baffled that we invented a bulb that could last 100 years over a century ago and I still have to change bulbs every year or two. There are nice documentaries about this [0] The end of ownership https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOO-pYUl9-w [1] This is why we can't have nice…

I'll bet a lot of incandescent bulbs would stay on for years and years if they weren't turn off and on all the time. But it costs money to leave them on, even if they're very low wattage; is it better for your bank account (not considering environmental costs) to leave an incandescent bulb on all the time, or to replace bulbs every year or two?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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Not going out of business, but on the iPad there is a drawing app called Procreate which is a one time purchase. It’s decent, but in the two years I’ve had it, nothing has really improved and there is a whole lot missing or to be desired. Meanwhile some subscription apps have come to the iPad and they are absolutely packed with every feature you could possibly want. For any well run company, the more the users are pa…

In my opinion you shouldn't expect future updates of any kind from software that you own. I wouldn't expect them to keep updating it because it obviously makes them no money. I would expect them to release a new product to keep making money.

The problem is that OS upgrades are frequently needed for security and bug fixes and those upgrades are often required by other applications--but a new OS version may break your older application. I suppose you can play around with VMs to keep an old OS and application together--that was one of the original virtualization use cases--but that gets awkward after a while.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

#158

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What the heck subscription models are you using? In my experience the software gets broken over time and you can't do anything about it, including RUN THE OLD VERSION WHICH WORKED. There's no longer as much incentive for companies to improve because they'll get paid anyway instead of payment being contingent on actually delivering something useful. Yes subscription models are good for developers, no this doesn't make…

Not the OP, but I have to disagree too. Creative Cloud, IntelliJ, Figma, Google Workspace, Postman, Spotify, Vercel, Adguard, Google storage space, Alltrails, 1password.. They're all subscriptions and getting better all the time. Meanwhile it's the old purchased software like Windows and Office that get worse with every version.

And your work pays for a lot of that? Must be nice.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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I’d be willing to build and sell software on a pay once own forever model if there’s two caveats: No free customer support, no free updates.

If people don’t care about either of those, good. I don’t care about providing support unless I’m paid to and I don’t care about forcing myself to continue updating something just because I have subscribers.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone tired of everything being a subscription now?

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> I saw too many software companies go out of business because not enough people wound up upgrading to the next major version Do you have examples? Most new businesses fail regardless of their business model, so you'd have to argue that this phenomenon was somehow worse for non-subs. > Not to mention that a yearly subscription is cheaper than buying outright Not in the long term.

Not going out of business, but on the iPad there is a drawing app called Procreate which is a one time purchase. It’s decent, but in the two years I’ve had it, nothing has really improved and there is a whole lot missing or to be desired. Meanwhile some subscription apps have come to the iPad and they are absolutely packed with every feature you could possibly want. For any well run company, the more the users are pa…

> Not going out of business, but on the iPad there is a drawing app called Procreate which is a one time purchase. It’s decent, but in the two years I’ve had it, nothing has really improved and there is a whole lot missing or to be desired.

This is the trade-off, as far as I'm concerned. By paying one time, I get the product … once. It might be a bad purchase that I regret; that happens. But, if it's great, I want that product; I don't want the developer's new and greatest idea of how they think I want to use their product. Too many products that were once great ‘evolved’ away from being useful for me. For the software that I own (and that runs on a supported platform), I can just keep using it. For subscription software … well, too many developers don't care that they're leaving a dedicated base behind if they open up a new (and fickle) base.

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