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Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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I don’t think I had seen those before: tarball [use instead: tar archive] While the term refers to an archive that has been created with the tar command, it can be negatively associated with the pejorative term tarbaby. whitespace [use instead: empty space] Assigns value connotations based on color (white = good), an act which is subconsciously racialized. Some of the “solutions” are funny: Hispanic [use instead: Lat…

> its roots lie in Spain's colonization of South American countries.

They forgot Central American countries :(

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#152

Note that this is a voluntary resource guide of recommendations and suggestions.

Voluntary for now. some HR department will pick up on it and institute it as mandatory. I have a bet with my spouse on if I will retire first or be fired by the language police.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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post #128

> to call a spade a spade/ calling a spade a spade > to call something what it is / calling something what it is > Although the term has its origins in Greek literature, the subsequent negative connotations with the word "spade" means that the phrase should be used with caution or not at all. I have no idea what this is referring to. . > white paper > position paper > Assigns value connotations based on color (white…

I would consider use of whitespace as negative to white. As it is useless space that is wasteful...

If you think white space is useless, try reading a document without any.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#154

> Instead of: African-American > Consider using: Black Was this previously the other way around?

Yeah, well, it sort of falls apart once people start pointing out that Elon Musk is the richest African-American.

But what about mix raced, or just lighter skinned “black” people?

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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post #115
post #97

Died by suicide? Suicide is a self-inflicted act; committed suicide is correct - and I say this as a man living on the edge. To diminish that is to refuse to accept the underlying cause, which is a bad fucking way to stop it from happening again (or at least to someone else). This whole damned list is retarded. Most of the elements aren't even accurate; they're euphemisms. Someone with OCD isn't 'detail-oriented' the…

Also: > ballsy: Attributes personality traits to anatomy. The balls literally produce testosterone, which literally increases risk taking behaviour. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

What about using "brainy" or referring to functioning brains at all? It perpetuates the myth that anencephaly is abnormal or negative.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#156
post #6

> Instead of "blind review", consider using "anonymous review". Context: Unintentionally perpetuates that disability is somehow abnormal or negative, furthering an ableist culture. But.. disability is abnormal and negative? How tortured of a definition of 'normal' must one use to make blindness normal? And I suspect if the author of that sentence were offered, say, $100,000 to undergo a painless but irreversible blin…

> But.. disability is abnormal and negative?

Even if we were to accept that disabilities were not negative, a blind review is a good thing - it’s a review that’s more fair than a non-blind review. So if there’s nothing wrong with being blind, why would you want to stop people from using the term “blind” to describe a blind review? How does calling it a blind review imply that being blind is negative?

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

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>retard (n) person with a cognitive disability, person with autism, neurodivergent person

Well it's great that Stanford thinks "Person with Autism" is synonymous with "Retard".

Given the specific target audience of this IT department, the nomenclature "Person with Autism" is especially controversial and likely to cause offence and the phrasing "Autistic Person" would be preferable (See [1] for more details). So the language they're suggesting in a reference is a poor choice.

The person who authored this really hasn't meaningfully consulted with the relevant groups in question enough. They would be well served reading the better style guides which already exist such as [1] which by comparison give actually useful guidance which evidently Stanford failed to find during its research [2]. Notice how this guide, which only covers one section of what Stanford was trying to cover, is longer than Stanford's entire guide. Notice also how this is presented as a GUIDE, as suggestions, rather than simply decrying certain terms as harmful.

I will note that this appears to be an internal IT department effort, so I would try to keep into context this is likely the work of some busybody who likely had no reason to anticipate international social media scrutiny. I do have to admit though, this effort simply isn't well executed enough to be advisable, and the tone is way too hardline.

[1] https://ncdj.org/style-guide/#Autism [2] https://itcommunity.stanford.edu/ehli#footnote-3

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#158

Many of these look like good guidelines for someone, especially one in a position of public communications, to use as guidelines . Or for some sort of social worker, I can see these being some reasonable guidelines to consider. But I would recoil at the idea of these being hard and fast rules considered for everyday speech. And the idea that casual, every day speech must be as equitable as possible doesn't sit right…

Yeah, this thread is nuts to me how many people in this thread are mad. Sure, some of the words are a bit of a stretch but while going through the most I was nodding along being like, “yeah, makes sense.”

Like nobody is gonna string you up not following the guidelines but in my own writing I follow these pretty much naturally because, yeah, it’s kinda weird that we describe things with limited or reduced functionality as crippled.

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#159
post #69

I don’t think I had seen those before: tarball [use instead: tar archive] While the term refers to an archive that has been created with the tar command, it can be negatively associated with the pejorative term tarbaby. whitespace [use instead: empty space] Assigns value connotations based on color (white = good), an act which is subconsciously racialized. Some of the “solutions” are funny: Hispanic [use instead: Lat…

> its roots lie in Spain's colonization of South American countries. They forgot Central American countries :(

South of the border, down Mexico way...

Re: Stanford's “Elimination of Harmful Language” Initiative

#160
I guess it is philosophically good that I will forever be an amateur. Since I can never be a master of my craft. And any company / startup didn't change their branch from Master to Main would fail to hire anyone from Stanford.

And I was surprised Stanford still invited Peter Thiel for their Conference last month.

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