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Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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I can't believe people compare Jobs with Musk. Jobs was so much better put together in public and seems like he can still be very coherent and persuasive even when angry (likely in this video) and insulted in public.

>I can't believe people compare Jobs with Musk.

I know it is not a very nice thing to say but you may be surprised to learn, Most people cant really do comparison.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

#152
The Apple then and Apple now.

These days it is all going backwards to MBA style business decisions. Instead of making insanely great product and services that will make them lot of money, they are now thinking what product and services they could do to make them lots of money.

I thought It was also important to note the term "Customer", which is still being used in today's Apple. Comparing to most in Silicon Valley using the term "Users" instead.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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post #11
post #4

That 10 second pause before he responds — 25 seconds if you don't count the reference to the famous quote, which buys him a bit more time — is amazing. What may be less well understood by people who weren't there is that he's addressing Apple employees just as much as he is Apple developers. Many Apple employees had the same question. [Source: Was at Apple at the time.] "You've got to start with the customer experien…

I’d be better off in my relationships if I could master that technique.

You’d likely be less real and more distant

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

#154
post #103

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I think it's also about designing and selling a touch-screen phone when nobody knew they wanted one instead of making a slightly better phone with buttons.

Not nobody. I had a touchscreen phone for years before the iPhone appeared. All Windows Mobile platform, but there were Palm devices at the same time. The iPhone improved usability and stability, and its capacitive touch surface was a vast improvement over even the best resistive screens, but it was by no means at the vanguard. Its marketing was, though.

Better for responsiveness and appearance, but the accuracy of a good screen like on an iPAQ is still not matched without very special hardware.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

#155

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There’s no interesting comparison to be made, really. Both are rich CEOs, I guess. That’s it.

i think elon has tried to emulate the superficial aspects of steve jobs presentation style, albeit very unconvincingly

He can hardly finish a sentence. Jobs was a master presenter. Good luck for him.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

#156

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It solves a problem that you don't realize is here yet, just like people in France didn't understand it was here yet and Rome and Weimar Germany... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debasement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assignat https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

It doesn’t solve anything. Currency used to be backed by gold. There was always a fallback value of currency in the form of gold. Crypto falls back on the US dollar. If the US dollar collapses. As too does Bitcoin. And there is nothing in place to prevent this.

That's an interesting hypothesis - though one that is far from fact, that many would disagree with, and which has never been tested. As such, you might want to avoid fallaciously stating it as a certainty.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

#157
post #110
post #55

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You should always pause when receiving criticism, it's a great psychological trick. Responding immediately and fiercely rewards the critic. By pausing, the critic becomes doubtful. Did I go too far? Is something really bad brewing?

In this view, the pause was most hostile action taken by Jobs towards the person asking the question. For people who answer like this: what goes through your mind during the pause? Are you counting in your head? Are you planning out your answer? Are you playing the question in your head?

When I pause it’s because I’m trying to compose a response and my emotions. Sometimes too fast a response sounds less credible and often times it is — I’ll ramble on a bit longer than I’d like or talk my way into my larger point, possibly losing my audience or saying half baked things. It also often prompts more details from the person I’m talking to to fill the void. This gives me more context so I don’t just answer the superficial question. But mostly it helps keep emotion out of my response.

As an aside, while I’m OK-to-uncomfortable on the receiving end of the pause, I get wildly enraged when people say, “I don’t understand” without trying to play back or suss out meaning, eg “I don’t understand, are you saying…?” I find it wildly dismissive. But that’s probably on me.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

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post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's also about designing and selling a touch-screen phone when nobody knew they wanted one instead of making a slightly better phone with buttons.

Not nobody. I had a touchscreen phone for years before the iPhone appeared. All Windows Mobile platform, but there were Palm devices at the same time. The iPhone improved usability and stability, and its capacitive touch surface was a vast improvement over even the best resistive screens, but it was by no means at the vanguard. Its marketing was, though.

Nokia had world firsts in a ton of categories, but they - as an organisation - sucked at vertical integration. Thus many of the features just were there, without any way to actually use them.

I remember my old Nokia phone having a feature that would detect people around me + my location and would change profiles accordingly. Something that Apple added around iOS 16.

The Nokia feature? It never worked, nobody knew how to make it work. It needed some mystical configuration that people in my company didn't know how to do. And I worked for a major Nokia subcontractor...

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

#159
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...if you think about it, it's the phrase "sell 8 billion dollars of product a year" that does the heavylifting, where he sets up the overall tone as "Me: Successful business tycoon. You: Angry nobody." It would come across as less arrogant, if he had just resisted the temptation to say that at all. He probably realizes that himself as he speaks and then wraps it into a humblebrag when he says "And I've made this mis…

This is the crux of the argument, however arrogant it might sound.

Brilliant genius engineer guy with shiny thing needs to be able to articulate how to sell $8B of the thing. This of course has not happened, as OpenDoc had been failing for years until that point.

That statement is the final blow. And probably deserved by a person who just accused their boss in public of being uneducated on the topic. Something elitist engineers love to do and seem to get away with time and again. Yet when they are put on the spot about their own shortcomings, we are to assume this is some kind of attack? Please.

Re: Steve Jobs Insult Response (1997) [video]

#160
post #11

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I’d be better off in my relationships if I could master that technique.

You’d likely be less real and more distant

A very human thing is to say I don’t need to change and then rationalize it in some way. I think that’s what you’re doing here. Talking a pause before escalating with something hurtful could only be helpful, no matter if it’s “Less real” and has nothing to do with being distant at all.
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