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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by bloaf »

jeltz wrote: post #121
the__alchemist wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linux is a usability mess, and has been for 20 years. I give a new shot once every other year. Basic flow: - Works out of the box for a basic desktop - Once you start installing drivers and software outside the package manager (Which you'll need to do immediately) and doing C+P CLI workarounds, the system state starts decaying, and things break. - The easiest way to fix things is usually a clean OS reinstall, in the…

What nonsense is this? While I admit that Linux has real usability issues which none of what you wrote is remotely true.

Rings true for me, I'm about at the reinstall stage with my HTPC. It will no longer send audio via HDMI due to some deep obscure pipewire config that broke itself without me touching anything. It also no longer connects to my Bluetooth keyboard on 2/3 of the keyboard's channels (actually it connects and disconnects very rapidly, several times a second, but is unusable regardless).

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by bombcar »

duffyjp wrote: post #69
veridies wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think OP's point is that there's one more major use case — gaming — for which Windows has a newly viable competitor. It's not that Linux is going to replace Windows, but that Windows could suffer a death by a thousand cuts. I'll note that more and more offices that I encounter seem to be switching to Chromebooks.

In my workplace folks are begging for MacBooks.

Macs have been Unix with Photoshop and Office for decades now.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by jakogut »

screye wrote: post #30
JSRR1991 wrote: post #5

Bad time to be pushing this crap with the Linux desktop wooing the gaming/ power user overlap crowd now that steam deck is on the scene. I have been using Windows my whole life but now I have a PC dedicated to Linux for the 1st time and I'm thinking about seeing one up for my wife, as I'm sure Linux will be perform better on the older laptop I'm considering 'upcycling'. People forget that tech trends often flow outwa…

If anything, I think it's the other way around. WSL2 is now so good, that you can get away with not needing Linux at all.

Strange take. WSL2 _is_ Linux, running in a hypervisor with proprietary APIs for acceleration [0]. You're not using an alternative to Linux, you're using Linux that's been vendor-locked to require Windows.

[0] https://docs.mesa3d.org/drivers/d3d12.html

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

>Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge

I'm wondering how does this happen? I have Chrome as the default browser on my Win11 machine for a year now, and after all the updates, Chrome is still the default. The default apps for PDF, music and video play-back were also kept between updates. Updates never did anything funky for me, just added improvements and new features, which kept me contempt with it.

Really curious why this would happen to you but never happened to me. I have Win11 Pro edition, installed from scratch from the official ISO (not OEM), if that makes any difference. Maye OEM or Home editions behave differently?

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by jimmaswell »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

I wish antitrust enforcement focused on this stuff again. Remember when MS merely including a web browser at all was brought into question?

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by bombcar »

mhh__ wrote: post #87
dzdt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes 2023 is sure to be the year of the Linux desktop. (/s) The reality is the computer form factor involving a keyboard is slowly becoming more and more of a niche. Windows has a lock on this niche for business and gaming. For other home use there is strong competition from apple and for education there is strong competition from chromebook. Linux is still not really in the running, sorry.

Soo niche except for 99.99999% of devs

Even the majority of “command line devs” are satisfied by Mac or even WSL for their machines. The servers they connect to are almost always Linux, however.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by mmis1000 »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

I think it do ask you whether you want to change the setting, except the default is nuking all your settings.

And something even more annoying is: That pops up in the OOBE of every major update. If you accidentally click "yes", your settings fxxks up. Come on, I already click "no" last time, you shouldn't even ask me again about this.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by gs17 »

naiveai wrote: post #145
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, Linux is in a good position for the same reason you think it isn't. As the desktop/laptop market shrinks to advanced users, it loses the long tail of users who weren't technically capable enough to switch. At the same time, WINE/proton and even some native ports have vastly improved the gaming scene on Linux, and a decent chunk of non-gaming applications too. Sure, there will always be certain busine…

Until and unless Microsoft Office products are on Linux natively and are supported by Microsoft, Linux will never be a mainstream operating system. And that's never going to happen.

The web based Office 365 my university gives us seems to work as well on Linux as any other platform AFAIK (unfortunately that's still not perfect). It did claim to need Edge for some things, but that's relatively minor.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by Silhouette »

the__alchemist wrote: post #107
Slighted wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft transitioning Windows into a spyware platform filled with advertisements and garbage has been in the making for years at this point. Its absolutely exploitative, greedy, and evil, which is why if you can you should consider switching to a different operating system, like Linux. At the very least you can transition to using Linux for tasks that work on Linux while keeping around Windows for tasks which requi…

Linux is a usability mess, and has been for 20 years. I give a new shot once every other year. Basic flow: - Works out of the box for a basic desktop - Once you start installing drivers and software outside the package manager (Which you'll need to do immediately) and doing C+P CLI workarounds, the system state starts decaying, and things break. - The easiest way to fix things is usually a clean OS reinstall, in the…

Usability of Linux desktop environments isn't perfect but at least the trend is steady improvement. The days of having to do weird stuff just to make some everyday USB device work when you plug it in are mostly gone. The software available for Linux in a few areas is now genuinely best in class. It's not always the same exact applications you might be used to but then that's true of moving between Windows and macOS as well.

My own experience of modern Linux is very different to yours. I don't think I've had to completely clean and reinstall any Linux system I use - desktop or server - for over a decade. Some of those systems have been through multiple full OS upgrades in that time but those were done in place and usually without losing anything (or gaining anything unwanted).

It's obviously not perfect. Some of the recent Wayland changes got released by some distros before some of the applications that do video calls were fully ready for them and that caused problems with remote working for example. But it's paradise compared to the danger of installing any modern version of Windows or any Apple OS and getting serious regressions or overtly user-hostile new "features" that you can't turn off.

I do think there's room for a modern desktop OS that doesn't have all the historical baggage of Linux. Not having a permissions model that sandboxes apps and the data they work with by default seems very outdated in 2022 for example. The traditional filesystem hierarchy is unnecessarily complicated and not well suited to modern systems. We rely on container technologies for professional work now because the package management and installation/update mechanics are so fragile (though no worse than Windows or macOS IMHO). I just wish the barriers to entry weren't so high now that it is tough for anyone to build a new desktop OS from the ground up any more.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by bombcar »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #128
JSRR1991 wrote: post #5

Bad time to be pushing this crap with the Linux desktop wooing the gaming/ power user overlap crowd now that steam deck is on the scene. I have been using Windows my whole life but now I have a PC dedicated to Linux for the 1st time and I'm thinking about seeing one up for my wife, as I'm sure Linux will be perform better on the older laptop I'm considering 'upcycling'. People forget that tech trends often flow outwa…

Honestly, ubuntu is doing similar UX breaking crap... every two years you need to relearn where to set the static ip, apt-get is snap, or snap is apt-get or who knows what you'll get when you need a simple install, and phoning home is preinstalled too.

I’ve had better luck with rolling release desktops because at least things break and change slowly over time.

Each new Ubuntu is a whole new beast on the desktop (and sometimes even on server).

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