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Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by maccard »

csours wrote: post #24

As someone who has worked a corporate job for a while, this is all red flags _BUT_ if you have not worked for a corporation, and you really need a job, you may be motivated to dismiss those little warning signs so you can get paid. Scams don't work because scammers are smart; scams work because scammers exploit our motivations. Beware of charity scams this holiday season.

I've worked at corporate jobs and smaller companies, and frankly if a large company said "here's a list of our authorised resellers, and a signing bonus paid by cheque, please use it to buy equipment as it's faster than going through procurement" I would 100% believe them as at every job I've ever had (before I got a company card) it was faster and easier to just buy and expense. I genuinely wouldn't bat an eyelid until it was too late.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by Jiro »

tommiegannert wrote: post #111
ryandrake wrote: post #48

Great job figuring out it was a scam but honestly, it’s crazy that these things still work on anyone all the way in 2022. You would think that by now every human being that walks the earth would know that whenever someone you don’t know sends you “money” and then requests you send it back (or to another party) in a different form, it’s always a scam. There should be some ceremony whenever someone turns 16 or somethin…

That people buy gift cards at all boggles my mind. You're buying a currency with less versatility (and hence value) for 1:1. Where I live, we have perfectly fine government-issued bills to gift if that's your thing. Somehow, that's considered a bad present? Because it's lazy? Because it doesn't show your opinion on clothes brands? I don't get it, from the consumer's perspective. To the shop/mall it's a clear winner,…

In order for a gift to serve its social function, it must be specifically matched to its recipient. Cash is not specifically matched to its recipient.

(The exception is if there's some other social expectation that specifically says that the gift should be cash, like Jewish wedding gifts).

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by maccard »

sharkjacobs wrote: post #4

Are cheques even used for anything except for fraud anymore? Open call: Anyone out there paying or receiving payment with cheque in the last ten years?

I still get cheque payments from various government departments for rebates. My most recent one was a £3 cheque for an overpayment when renewing my driver's license by postal order... That was an arcane transaction.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by Veen »

Aeolun wrote: post #141
honkler wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

usual geography being india?

It’s not really relevant other than that it’s anywhere beyond the reach of the law right?

It's relevant as a red flag alongside other information that should raise one's level of suspicion.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by manholio »

zorrolovsky wrote: post #103
ryandrake wrote: post #48

Great job figuring out it was a scam but honestly, it’s crazy that these things still work on anyone all the way in 2022. You would think that by now every human being that walks the earth would know that whenever someone you don’t know sends you “money” and then requests you send it back (or to another party) in a different form, it’s always a scam. There should be some ceremony whenever someone turns 16 or somethin…

This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair. People can be in dark places mentally, struggle with disease, family issues, etc. Not everybody is mentally sharp 100% of the time to identify a scam attack and fight it back. The problem is not victims, the problem is scammers. There should be better mechanisms to quickly clamp down on them. In this case, it would be really good if there was a me…

> This post seem to blame victims for the problem, and that is not fair.

Guilt is not zero-sum. A killer gets 20 years, but a group of 10 people conspiring to a murder get 20 years each, not 2 years each.

It's perfectly possible the scammers are culpable to the maximum extent, while at the same time there is a smaller but consistent culpability on the part of the victim.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by maccard »

electrondood wrote: post #68

> How much do you want for this position? "What's the range?" Scam or no scam, you shouldn't be telling them your desired rate/salary; you should be asking them what the range is for the position they're hiring for. It's like a cop asking you "do you know why I pulled you over?" Don't volunteer information, just ask "Why did you pull me over?"

The information on rates for many people is freely available. I'm more than happy to share my expected salary in the first interview, as the worst case scenario for both of us is if it comes out after an onsite that there's a disparity.

Levels.fyi, salary ranges on a large number of employer websites, even glassdoor, will give you a reasonable indication of rates.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by Veen »

nigamanth wrote: post #6

To be honest, one can easily realize that this "Marc Cannon" is a fake with the amount of spelling and grammatical errors he makes. Real professionals do not make spelling and grammar errors such as: "Do you have any other question ?" "Good morning how are you this morning." "I will send you later" "Good morning, How are you doing today ?" "This is very disrespectful and all director are to meet you for training on m…

> Real professionals do not make spelling and grammar errors

I've worked with lots of professionals, including founders and c-suite people, who appear barely literate in emails and online chat. They're often very good talkers and very bad writers.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Jiro wrote: post #152
tommiegannert wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That people buy gift cards at all boggles my mind. You're buying a currency with less versatility (and hence value) for 1:1. Where I live, we have perfectly fine government-issued bills to gift if that's your thing. Somehow, that's considered a bad present? Because it's lazy? Because it doesn't show your opinion on clothes brands? I don't get it, from the consumer's perspective. To the shop/mall it's a clear winner,…

In order for a gift to serve its social function, it must be specifically matched to its recipient. Cash is not specifically matched to its recipient. (The exception is if there's some other social expectation that specifically says that the gift should be cash, like Jewish wedding gifts).

> In order for a gift to serve its social function, it must be specifically matched to its recipient.

That's tricky though. Often enough, people really don't know or think enough to match properly, which causes the gift to end up being offloaded somewhere else later, and/or breeds silent resentment.

It's not just when people don't know what the recipient is interested in, but importantly, when they think they know, but don't understand that you shouldn't buy something related to someone's interest/hobby if you yourself aren't comparably proficient in it.

> Cash is not specifically matched to its recipient.

In some sense, it's maximally matched to every recipient, by virtue of being universal. Question is, is the gift supposed to be about recipient, or about the gift-giver? Super specific gifts are often about the latter.

Re: A fake job offer gone wrong

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Post by rzzzt »

geysersam wrote: post #140
nonrandomstring wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one more very good reason not to indulge the insanity that is a "cashless society". If you let go of those government issued bills be sure that in no time at all you'll have nothing but fragmented, private "smart" currencies each hobbled with its own insidious restrictions.

This doesn't seem right. Cashless usually means electronic currency equivalent to physical currency. Card payments are not gift cards.

In a way they are, the difference is that they have the issuer network and banks' reputation behind it and so the number of shops that accept it is not a singleton set.
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