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Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by nicce »

izacus wrote: post #150

I seriously hate how misleading the titles of this report are (NOYB did the same crock and buried the lede 7 paragraphs into their report): Facebook tracking is illegal ONLY if Facebook hasn't asked for tracking consent. If they did, they can track to their hearts' content - and it's horribly misleading that the news and news titles don't make this obvious. It'll put people into false sense of security.

Something should be done for Terms of Use. They should be illegal in their current state. Even if some users read them, most don’t understand them.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by ttul »

ttul wrote: post #149
kaapipo wrote: post #58

Well, active consent has been seen before with cookie banners. Let's see how long it takes before every time you open Instagram you get a prompt like: "I allow not not omitting the usage of tracking"

Cookie banners have sapped 3% off global GDP.

Obviously this is satire.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by indymike »

Panini_Jones wrote: post #123
mpweiher wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not a "loophole", that's called living in a country of laws with due process.

> that's called living in a country of laws with due process. The loophole is that the company is allowed to continue breaking the law while the appeal is in progress.

>The loophole is that the company is allowed to continue breaking the law while the appeal is in progress.

This means that the court is not sure that that is the case yet, and that the rights of the defendant are being respected. If you just kill the business on the mere accusation of wrongdoing, there is no justice, only oppression.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by BlueTemplar »

wpietri wrote: post #136
imiric wrote: post #107

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Meta is betting on the long term. They're the leader of a very niche market _now_, but as XR technology improves, that market will only grow, and Meta will be ready for it, with years ahead of the competition at that point. That's their bet, anyway, and we can speculate whether it will come to pass or not. I'm inclined to think that the tech will eventually become mainstream, when headsets are as comfortable to wear…

I agree with you that Meta ads another set of ways to fail. But this is the thing I want to question: > that market will only grow I too have read science fiction, so I get the theory. You know what else is in science fiction? 3D movies and 3D TV. But we've had 3 waves of 3D films (1950s, 1980s, 2000s) and it turns out nobody cares. And 3D TV fared even worse. And let's not forget the 1990 wave of actual VR, which al…

I think you mean 2010s, with the release of Avatar in 2009 ?

3D movies are still around, though sadly "real" 3D is pretty rare (remove the "Filmed in 2D" from the list, and of course the Digital 3D animations have different constraints : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_3D_films_(2005%E2%80%9....

But it's kind of weird that you would say this, with 3D now being an option in cinemas everywhere now (if not in homes any more, though my own TV is still compatible), especially with Avatar 2 that just released ?

https://news.yahoo.com/james-cameron-avatar-way-of-water-3d-...

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by pessimizer »

wackget wrote: post #84

> The EU decision will not have direct consequences for users, unfortunately, as it can be appealed to. Such an appeal would lead to a lengthy judicial process. So companies can flout the law for years, making massive profits, and continue to do so for as long as they can string along an appeal process? Seems like a pretty nice loophole.

It seems fair, as long as the fines and penalties for continuing noncompliance are backdated to when the initial decision was made, even if they're only due after the last appeal fails.

With that setup, if they're confident that they'll come out on top, they can keep tracking while appealing. If they're less confident, they'll pause tracking to prevent the buildup of fines.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by indymike »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #142
cronix wrote: post #138

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Not doing so would allow mere allegations to put your business on hold until the entire court process, all the way to the highest court, if applicable, is complete. It's not a loophole. It's a fundamental tenant of innocent until proven guilty.

This is civil law, not criminal. Presumption of innocence doesn’t apply.

>This is civil law, not criminal. Presumption of innocence doesn’t apply.

If the court is so sure that the plaintiff will prevail, why even have a trial? The answer is that until the court rules, barring 100% certainty of the plaintiff prevailing, you have to wait for the court's deliberation or you have only oppression and no justice at all. Both sides must have a chance to make their case.

Re: Facebook tracking is illegal in Europe

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Post by Izkata »

sofixa wrote: post #133
edgyquant wrote: post #112

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Please point to unconstitutional laws that were passed and sustained in spite of these.

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> What types of Arms? Does a tank fit in an Arm? What about a kamikaze drone?

This was written in an era of mercenary warships (see: "privateer"), so yeah, as written it includes all of that.

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Post by dangrossman »

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #145
BlueTemplar wrote: post #125

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As a reminder, this is just the tip of the iceberg : The US has since 2001 built a techno-legal spying system that the Stasi would have been proud of (relying a lot on US companies, especially the GAFAMs), and worse, (ab)used it on non-US people, specifically people located in EUrope (especially as revealed by the Snowden scandal in 2013). Since this violates the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights, in 2015 the Court of…

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It sounds fairly accurate to me. This is what killed the US-EU Privacy Shield program, twice. That was the government's attempt at creating a way for US companies like Facebook to legally process data of EU citizens under GDPR. It's been struck down by the EU courts, due to our federal government's spy powers and the CLOUD Act, that invalidate any claims US companies make about protecting personal data in their possession.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #142
cronix wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not doing so would allow mere allegations to put your business on hold until the entire court process, all the way to the highest court, if applicable, is complete. It's not a loophole. It's a fundamental tenant of innocent until proven guilty.

This is civil law, not criminal. Presumption of innocence doesn’t apply.

It does in Italy and I believe in many other European countries that adopt the Roman Law.
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