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Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by archagon »

christkv wrote: post #48
chrsig wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You get that the hospitals were being overrun by people dying of covid, right? It was to the point where emergency care wasn't available because hospitals were full. I doubt your claim, but even then, there are plenty of other reasons why having such a high unvaccinated population is a problem.

I’m vaxed by the way and yes I’m aware of the problems but you are not addressing what I said at all. The unvaxed person was or vaxed person spread and is spreading the virus at the same rate. The irrationality of treating unvaxed people now differently from vaxed persons is absurd. I’m more worried about the serious mental health issues people obsessed with the virus are having. I keep seeing people on the street wi…

Maybe don’t judge random strangers? I sometimes wear a mask outdoors to keep warm, or to keep my hands free when I need to enter a store later. I’ve already had some assholes yell at me because of it a few times — and this is in California.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by notacoward »

It's worth highlighting that there is an "absence of evidence" of discrimination the other way except in Germany and the US. I think a lot of people are skipping over the fact that in the US the contempt goes both ways, overlapping to a significant degree with discriminatory attitudes or behaviors tied to factors other than vaccine status. Those who are quick to discriminate in very tangible ways themselves don't get to cry victim the one time they're the one on the receiving end of an unfriendly look.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by fein »

archagon wrote: post #148
fein wrote: post #77

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How about "I'm not taking some experimental rushed bullshit by large pharma corps who have a solid track record of doing shady shit"? Because the actual human beings that I talk to face to face have this opinion, and not the crazy 5g nanobots nonsense the social media companies and journalists make sure you see that paints your fellow countrymen in some deranged light.

Is this meant to contradict the OP? I count at least three falsehoods in this sentence alone.

Is this meant to be a snooty response to troll for a reply instead of an actual engagement based on your non elaborated assertions?

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by taolegal »

anotherevan wrote: post #150
TrevorJ wrote: post #113

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Your example elides the fact that the vaccine situation was about risk-benefit analysis in many people's minds. A more appropriate example might be a situation where someone ran their car off the road because they perceived (possibly incorrectly) some danger that they were attempting to avoid.

And quite possibly ploughing into a crowd of pedestrians in the process.

nah in this case all those pedestrians have an anti-car force field

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by taolegal »

hotpotamus wrote: post #66
DoreenMichele wrote: post #9

When I was growing up, they counted anyone who got vaccinated against something as a "success." So if 80 percent got vaccinated for X, they bragged about that. These days, we count anyone who didn't get vaccinated as a failure and bellyache about that 20 percent that "won't cooperate" and malign them as problem children who don't have a good reason for their choices. It's a dramatic change in attitude and it's very s…

When I was growing up, you had to get your vaccines to go to school or join the military or participate in many aspects of society and anti-vaxers were seen as a fringe minority.

Except those were vaccines that weren't used in such a rushed manner.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by yucky »

epgui wrote: post #138
yucky wrote: post #128

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They do, because it's not 100% effective at preventing transmission. That does not mean it is 0% effective. Anything greater than 0% effectively prevents transmission. FYI, this is my area of expertise.

The majority of Covid deaths now are people who are vaccinated[0]. I'm old enough to remember when the Director of the CDC[1] and the US President[2] both said vaccinated people couldn't get or spread Covid. So spare me with the claims of expertise.

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinate...

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/cdc-director-data-vaccinated...

[2] https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn...

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by DoreenMichele »

hotpotamus wrote: post #66
DoreenMichele wrote: post #9

When I was growing up, they counted anyone who got vaccinated against something as a "success." So if 80 percent got vaccinated for X, they bragged about that. These days, we count anyone who didn't get vaccinated as a failure and bellyache about that 20 percent that "won't cooperate" and malign them as problem children who don't have a good reason for their choices. It's a dramatic change in attitude and it's very s…

When I was growing up, you had to get your vaccines to go to school or join the military or participate in many aspects of society and anti-vaxers were seen as a fringe minority.

I imagine I'm somewhat older than you. "Antivaxer" was not a term I knew as a child. That came later.

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by yucky »

nwiswell wrote: post #136
yucky wrote: post #134

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Federal money is our money. They don't make money, they take ours.

Right, yeah, so the implication of XO 14043 being that the 80% of people who are voluntarily vaccinated are not down with the government taking their money in order to pay it to people who are voluntarily unvaccinated.

The majority of Covid deaths now are from people who are vaccinated. It's time we stop pretending to have an excuse to treat others poorly because they're not part of the "in group". It's just authoritarianism and a lot of people are super comfortable with it when it's used against "the others".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinate...

Re: Discriminatory attitudes against the unvaccinated during a global pandemic

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Post by yucky »

epgui wrote: post #145
yucky wrote: post #127

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Everyone I know with the vaccine has still gotten (and presumably spread) COVID. Many of them multiple times. So you can't make this statement anymore, it's false.

That's a nice testimonial, but you do realize that anecdotal evidence is one of the weakest forms of evidence, right?

Let me try this then - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinate.... The data shows that the majority of Covid deaths are from vaccinated people now. Better?
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