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It depends a lot on what kind of crime you're dealing with. This isn't a matter of teaching the executives of Hertz that no, they don't need to commit crimes to survive, and how to access alternative means of survival, and all that. They did this because they were greedy, lazy, and they knew they wouldn't suffer much for it. When you're dealing with white-collar sorts of crimes like this, deterrence is a thing.
Prison is not the right fit. If you want deterrence, make them pay directly towards the victims. Put them on house arrest. Put them on probation. Ban them from holding a managerial or executive role. There are plenty of alternatives that don't involve locking people in cells - and that are probably more effective a deterrent.
Hertz to pay $168M to customers arrested due to Hertz’s false police reports
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't pass any smell test for filing false police reports hundreds of times to be a series of hundreds of mistakes.
You're saying that Hertz deliberately targetted these people for some reason? No, that's ridiculous. Clearly this was a mistake. No one thinks Hertz was deliberately trying to punish its own customers. They just messed up and rolled out a feature with a buggy fraud detector.
1. Would a Reasonable person believe the system would lead to false reports
2. Were there any engineers or people internal to the company raising concerns that were ignored by managers / executives (I believe there likely was and there is more than enough probable cause for police to get a search warrant to find out)
3. After the first reports came in what actions were taken by the company
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why can't they be compensated directly for the financial damages and then put the perpetrators in prison for all the damages that can't be moneyed-away?
> put the perpetrators in prison for all the damages that can't be moneyed-away? Unless it was done wilfully, this just perpetuates the American fetish for imprisonment. They should be fired. They should be fined. And they should be deeply investigated, to confirm there wasn’t intent.
Letting people get away with crimes simply because they're part of a corporation is simply stupid.
Re: Hertz to pay $168M to customers arrested due to Hertz’s false police reports
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
It depends a lot on what kind of crime you're dealing with. This isn't a matter of teaching the executives of Hertz that no, they don't need to commit crimes to survive, and how to access alternative means of survival, and all that. They did this because they were greedy, lazy, and they knew they wouldn't suffer much for it. When you're dealing with white-collar sorts of crimes like this, deterrence is a thing.
Prison is not the right fit. If you want deterrence, make them pay directly towards the victims. Put them on house arrest. Put them on probation. Ban them from holding a managerial or executive role. There are plenty of alternatives that don't involve locking people in cells - and that are probably more effective a deterrent.
So, prison. Maybe a slightly nicer prison, but you're still taking their freedom away.
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#155From the article: In its release, Hertz says they believe “a meaningful portion of the settlement” will be covered by insurance so ‘no big deal’ to them what they did to customers, at least for investors. Meanwhile their CEO shrugs in an included statement saying they “will not always be perfect.”
i hope the insurance company takes a look in the documents and tells Hertz to go f** themselfs... No way that the insurance company would cover negliance and fraud...
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interestingly, I had Enterprise squarely in my head as the budget option compared to Hertz, who I always had down as the "pricey but better service" option (at least if you exercised the Gold program, etc.) Not sure if I'm strictly a victim of effective marketing, or if they flipped places in the last however many years, or what, but it's interesting to see your post and the replies that imply I've got it backwards.
If you formed that opinion years ago it might have been more true. In the 00s Hertz was indeed a top tier, best in class, rental company. They were sold the private equity then taken public in 2006 and the quality of the company declined dramatically over the 2010s. They changed their model to focus on partnership programs through airlines, hotels, and credit cards while offering low teaser rates for their rentals an…
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#157I travel quite a bit for both business and personal reasons. This means I'm driving a rental car for 100+ days a year. I've tried all the major rental brands and Hertz is a terrible experience even when they're not calling the police on you by mistake. Their systems don't work quite right, there's a bunch of hidden fees, and their customer service is lacking at best. I swear by Enterprise and purchasing the extra ins…
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
We have an Enterprise deal with work so we get very good rates, especially when they drop a car off and pick up at my home or office However I was in one a few months ago and got a puncture on a dual carriageway. By the time I pulled over to a safe location the tyre was shredded. No problem, go into the boot to get the spare wheel out and I'll deal with it later. There was no spare wheel. Just some little device whic…
I was shopping for a car/SUV recently and was given the story about tire technology changing and tires being so good they never fail :) wish I could remember the precise words but good discussion since I never bought the car due to supply chain issues and now I will remember to ask the details.
I found it funny when I looked closer and realized that the tire that failed didn't match the other three. I think that particular wheel was cursed since the car only had 26k miles on it.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
It depends a lot on what kind of crime you're dealing with. This isn't a matter of teaching the executives of Hertz that no, they don't need to commit crimes to survive, and how to access alternative means of survival, and all that. They did this because they were greedy, lazy, and they knew they wouldn't suffer much for it. When you're dealing with white-collar sorts of crimes like this, deterrence is a thing.
Prison is not the right fit. If you want deterrence, make them pay directly towards the victims. Put them on house arrest. Put them on probation. Ban them from holding a managerial or executive role. There are plenty of alternatives that don't involve locking people in cells - and that are probably more effective a deterrent.
People pay tons of money to avoid prison, even temporarily - see lawyers, bail, etc. Same goes for getting prison sentences reduced, even just in part, to house arrest and probation.
Just what amount of fines, house arrest, and probation is going to be more effective a deterrent than prison?
I think there's a reasonable discussion to be had about where the line is between 'enough' deterrence and excessive punishment, but it's a bit absurd to claim that things people happily accept in lieu of going to prison will be more of a deterrent than prison.
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#160I travel quite a bit for both business and personal reasons. This means I'm driving a rental car for 100+ days a year. I've tried all the major rental brands and Hertz is a terrible experience even when they're not calling the police on you by mistake. Their systems don't work quite right, there's a bunch of hidden fees, and their customer service is lacking at best. I swear by Enterprise and purchasing the extra ins…
Don't most credit cards provide rental insurance? How is their coverage different (if it is)?